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I would not be surprised if Russia is behind the recent instability in the US

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posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 12:21 AM
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With all of the fallout from the accusations of Russia hacking the election process in order to get Trump elected and the following instability, I am starting to believe that there is some truth to all of it. Russia blamed the US for what happened in Ukraine where former the pro-Russian Ukranian President, Viktor Yanukovich, was removed. Before this, there was lots of protesting and instability in the Ukraine. Russia was highly suspicious of the newly formed government and suspected that the US propped up this new government and that the proceedings were illegal. Here's what Putin had to say about it,


“They are throwing their might to remove the risks they have created themselves, and they are paying an increasing price,” Putin told political experts at the Black Sea resort.

“I think that the policies of the ruling elite are erroneous. I am convinced that they go against our interests, undermine trust in the United States,” he said without offering specific examples.

“The probability of a series of acute conflicts with indirect and even direct involvement of major powers has sharply increased,” he said. “Ukraine is an example of such conflicts that influence a global balance of forces, and, I think, not the last one.”

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The part that stuck out to me was, he (Putin) said. “Ukraine is an example of such conflicts that influence a global balance of forces, and, I think, not the last one.” It makes me think that after Ukraine that the Russians may have had a plan to cause political instability in the US undermining the "ruling elite"

I don't want to harp on the election scandal, as that has been done enough on here, but I will talk more about what I think could be going on.


For many Americans, Russian hacking remains a story about the 2016 election. But there is another story taking shape. Marrying a hundred years of expertise in influence operations to the new world of social media, Russia may finally have gained the ability it long sought but never fully achieved in the Cold War: to alter the course of events in the U.S. by manipulating public opinion. The vast openness and anonymity of social media has cleared a dangerous new route for antidemocratic forces. "Using these technologies, it is possible to undermine democratic government, and it's becoming easier every day," says Rand Waltzman of the Rand Corp., who ran a major Pentagon research program to understand the propaganda threats posed by social media technology.

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These are my sentiments exactly, but I think it's bigger than just social media. I believe that Russian spies/provocateurs could very well have infiltrated both sides of the instability, the "Alt-Right", and the "Alt-Left" and stage protests which garner the mainstream media's attention. The media runs with the stories like a rabid dog fueling anger and resentment on both sides, by drawing more and more attention to it, and pitting one side against the other. Now people are up in arms on social media arguing back and forth, and then Russian could capitalize on this instability by stoking the fire and revving people up even further. Ironically, all of this works wonderfully by Trump being elected to office causing, even more, angst against those who support Trump and those that don't.

Even if all of this conspiracy theory is true, what is the end goal?


1. Break Up NATO...

2. Expand Territory...

3. Enlarge The Sphere Of Influence...

4. Weaken Anti-Trump Forces In The West...

5. Humiliate The United States...

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This snippet is paraphrased, but I agree with it whole heartedly, but I would go as far as saying that they hope that the US is so marred by conflict in every facet from racial, political, geopolitical, and armed that the country implodes on itself without a single shot being fired by Russia's military. Trump getting impeached would be bonus points in their minds in this conspiracy theory.

At first when I thought about this, I thought it was far fetched. But the more I think about it, the more I realize that it could very well be a strategy being implemented on the US by Russia, the same way they claim that the US implemented instability in Ukraine's political process.

What are your thoughts?
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posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 12:25 AM
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Whatever is behind the "growing lawlessness", as AG Sessions put it, Putin of Russia, Kim Jong of North Korea, and the leaders of Iran, must be thrilled by it.

In fact, Kim Jong called off his attack on America because he wants to see if we do ourselves in.


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posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 12:28 AM
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Last time I checked the MSM wasn't controlled by Russia. And the MSM are the ones creating the rift by throwing gas on the fire and constantly bad mouthing our president, so no I'd say the culprits are in our own country, among other interested parties.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 12:29 AM
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While I don't buy the new red scare, it's possible they are directing some instability. It's also possible it's all home grown. It's also possible it's one of a large number of countries or individual ultra wealthy players.

Follow the money and that's where the answers are. Though really, it's still our own fault. We are our worst enemy to begin with, and chomping at the bit to tear each other apart.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 12:32 AM
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originally posted by: bananashooter
Last time I checked the MSM wasn't controlled by Russia.


Of course, they don't, but they do know that the media loves to profit off of things like this, which in turn all they have to do is ratchet up enough "newsworthy" stories and let them run with it. Stoke the fire via social media trolls, get them protesting on the streets and fighting and worse, and you know the rest.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 12:34 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
Whatever is behind the "growing lawlessness", as AG Sessions put it...


The MSM parading it over and over and over again has a lot to do with it, but there's something more to this as these protests are nothing new. What's new is, the social media barrage over things of this, the size of the protests, and groups like Antifa being formed.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 12:39 AM
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originally posted by: pirhanna
Follow the money and that's where the answers are. Though really, it's still our own fault. We are our worst enemy to begin with, and chomping at the bit to tear each other apart.


True, the money always really has everything to do with it. In this theory, it's more about geopolitical alignment, but you're probably right.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 12:42 AM
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No, I'd have to say it's our own stupidity.

It'd be nice, I guess, to be able to blame some nefarious "outsider" for this recent spate of idiocy... Wouldn't it?

But, alas, we have met the enemy, and they are us. No one else. Just us.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 12:44 AM
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Nope ,
All thats purely american stupidity in action .
And the usual pointing the finger trying to put the blame where it doesnt belong .



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 12:46 AM
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Antifa is dangerous, the reason it's dangerous is because they think the are morally right and that's what scares me. I don't think they are paid or are have allegiance to another government. They're the guy that will beat you halfway to death for doing something that he thinks is morally wrong, the liberal hate filled SJW.a reply to: majesticgent



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 12:50 AM
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While Russia may hack here and there, and facilitate and orchestrate cyber crime, it is over-egging their capability to cause "instability" in the US.

The US are just doing what happens in countries where there are freedoms. People protesting. Russian people tend to be arrested when they protest.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 12:53 AM
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originally posted by: seagull
No, I'd have to say it's our own stupidity.



originailly posted by: VengefulGhost
Nope ,
All thats purely american stupidity in action .
And the usual pointing the finger trying to put the blame where it doesnt belong .


I agree, but if anyone could capitalize on said stupidity, do you think they wouldn't? Many people say the MSM is, so why wouldn't anyone else?



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 12:56 AM
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I personally think Russia had high hopes for improving relations and were hopeful for trump. But I feel like they have no chance of open dialogue with everyone attacking trump(the media). Haven't we closed the case on the Russia hacking? If Russia has so much invested in this plan, what are they hoping to gain, world domination? I am sure Russia knows that the last chance the world could be taken by a military force was when Hitler tried it. The plan is way deeper then that, the takeover has already begun and its main players don't swear allegiance to any flag.reply to: paraphi


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posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 12:56 AM
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originally posted by: paraphi
While Russia may hack here and there, and facilitate and orchestrate cyber crime, it is over-egging their capability to cause "instability" in the US.


When Russia blamed the US for causing instability in the Ukraine back in 2014, would you say that was also over-egging? Just wondering because if the US can do it, Russia or other countries could too, and the best thing would be; it would be difficult if not impossible to prove.
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posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 01:01 AM
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originally posted by: bananashooter
Haven't we closed the case on the Russia hacking? If Russia has so much invested in this plan, what are they hoping to gain?


As far as I know, the Podesta e-mails are still up in the air, but I think the election poll hacking is being ruled out.

This thread is about what they'd hope to gain. It's just a theory and I'm not saying any of it is fact. Just throwing out another conspiracy theory/food for thought, and if it were ever proven to be true, I would not be surprised in the least.
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posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 01:12 AM
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No these are residual hold overs from the old KGB indoctrinated hippies.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 01:13 AM
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and wasn't the point of the hacking allegations was because trump and putin were buddy buddy and they hacked to help trump. Now they are saying Russia is trying to destabilize us. I doesn't add up either way, I was really hoping we would drill some oil there and get outta this hole Obama left us in.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 01:31 AM
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originally posted by: majesticgent
When Russia blamed the US for causing instability in the Ukraine back in 2014, would you say that was also over-egging?


If you look at the origins of the Euromaidan protests in Ukraine back in 2014, you will see that there was a popular uprising against moves to by the incumbent president to not agree to closer links to the EU and Europe. The interference of the Russians was plain to see and the president (Yanukovych) eventually fled to Russia.

While US and European involvement in Ukraine at the time is pretty certain, the popular protests were too big and the range of grievances (e.g. corruption) were too engrained to have been caused by US involvement. People can have grievances without the CIA, you know? On the other hand, Russia have been involved in detail in attempting to destabilise Ukraine in detail, so if Russia is making the accusation of US involvement then they are having a laugh.

Russia has a GDP about the size of South Korea.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 01:40 AM
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They could raise that GDP if exxon was allowed to drill on the land they had rights to drill on, that could happen.a reply to: paraphi



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 02:28 AM
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a reply to: majesticgent

this goes back to the 50's. Lines were drawn between the 2 in Germany then (NATO) comes along; Russia starts influence in South America, USA install their puppet dictators Chile etc.
The Ukraine push for independence has the fingers of Monsanto/Soros/USA Agribusiness behind it.
The US has encircled Russia with bases, tit for tat the Russians are fighting back. If you were a Russian wouldn't you be worried?

Karma's a bi"tch when it comes back to bight you in your own back yard. Unfortunately as per usual the common man will pay the price of this crap. The leaders of both continue to make heaps for themselves and their crony mates.



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