The N word

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Teikiatsu

So you agree that White Supremacists/Nationalists/Nazis support Trump. Good.

As to the rest ... /shrug

I've never said otherwise.

I've also said that Antifa, La Raza, Black Panthers and other racist/leftist/statist groups support moderate Democrats. That does not necessarily make those moderate Democrats become racist/leftist/statist.

It's not about left right, Teikiatsu. Or Democrat Republican.

I'm going to assume you know that, and merely indulge in the game as I do.

If not, I feel sorry for you.

Best.

a reply to: theantediluvian

I hate to admit it but the commander is my late wife's idiot cousin! Thankfully I've only been in the same room with him once! (family funeral) we used to laugh at him and the rhetoric they spew! and their silly uniforms! and the family are quite embarrassed by him! but what scares me most is that little girl's expression! look at her, she could be the next
hitler FFS I started out as a Reagan republican! but I've learned over the years that both party's are just the same crap! Yes I voted for Trump cause I can't stand Clinton, and where did Obama's hope and change get us! just for him I guess

ETA sorry if im off topic

a reply to: notsure1

Nazi is the short version. A cult of murderers is more accurate. Who support the Republican Party and Trump.

originally posted by: madmac5150
I stated this in another post, but it bears repeating:

The Nazis were Socialists... says so right in their name...

(National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism)

Socialists are Leftists.

Progressives are Leftists.

Socialists and Progressives would seem to be birds of a feather... and Nazis.

I always wonder why people think NAZI's where leftists is it to try and brand them as liberals? Because they are vastly different. And socialist doesn't mean what you think it means. As they are Fascist , they included Socialist because they knew they needed the working class support. And interestingly enough Neo-NAZI are the topic not the WWII losers they wish to emulate...

But nice try!

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Teikiatsu

So you agree that White Supremacists/Nationalists/Nazis support Trump. Good.

As to the rest ... /shrug

I've never said otherwise.

I've also said that Antifa, La Raza, Black Panthers and other racist/leftist/statist groups support moderate Democrats. That does not necessarily make those moderate Democrats become racist/leftist/statist.

It's not about left right, Teikiatsu. Or Democrat Republican.

I'm going to assume you know that, and merely indulge in the game as I do.

If not, I feel sorry for you.

Best.

This is about individual freedom vs. central authority, and that is no game.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Yet you use the nomenclature of party politics. Obviously then you believe that "one side" is authoritarian and "the other" supports civil rights.

Very well ... it is more than obvious that the group we refer to as White Supremacists White Nationalist and Nazis are NOT supporters of freedom or civil rights.

And they believe that Donald Trump supports them, and he has made it clear that belief is not unfounded.

Now play whatever semantic games you like from there.

a reply to: abeverage

Because appeals to absurdity are all they have. They are denying reality on the basis of what they are fed on their favored media.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Teikiatsu

Yet you use the nomenclature of party politics. Obviously then you believe that "one side" is authoritarian and "the other" supports civil rights.

Very well ... it is more than obvious that the group we refer to as White Supremacists White Nationalist and Nazis are NOT supporters of freedom or civil rights.

I'm using simple examples to describe complex issues. This isn't something that goes on a bumper sticker.

There are times when both sides of a fight are anti-freedom and they want to impose their paradigms on other people. Such was the case in Charlottesville. UNR and Antifa are both bad guys.

And they believe that Donald Trump supports them, and he has made it clear that belief is not unfounded.

They are going to believe what they want to believe. You'll need to show where Trump has clearly made any such support instead of just state it like it's a fact.

You aren't mistaking the individual right to speech and expression (no matter how disgusting) as support I hope.

originally posted by: abeverage

originally posted by: madmac5150
I stated this in another post, but it bears repeating:

The Nazis were Socialists... says so right in their name...

(National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism)

Socialists are Leftists.

Progressives are Leftists.

Socialists and Progressives would seem to be birds of a feather... and Nazis.

I always wonder why people think NAZI's where leftists is it to try and brand them as liberals? Because they are vastly different. And socialist doesn't mean what you think it means. As they are Fascist , they included Socialist because they knew they needed the working class support. And interestingly enough Neo-NAZI are the topic not the WWII losers they wish to emulate...

But nice try!

On the European political standard German Nazis were right-wing, meaning they wanted authoritarian control and promoting traditional government control with a strong military.

On the American political standard *any* racial supremacist is anti-freedom, anti-liberty, pro-control. This requires big government to implement. What passes for right-wing (ie traditional) US values are individual liberty and decentralized government. Therefore, whenever anyone wants to use government to control people's freedoms in the USA it is considered leftist even if it tries to hide behind white faces. Extreme US right-wing would be pure anarchy, no matter what you have been told by left-leaning people.

Think it through.

a reply to: theantediluvian

How do you feel about what ISIS is doing destroying all those monuments? And how is it any different?

a reply to: Teikiatsu

I'm sorry, I find your description of parroting the media screed from the "right-wing" faction as "complex" a tad humorous.

The "case" in Charlottesville is that a bunch of out of town White Supremacist/Nationalist/Nazi thugs decided take advantage of the right to assemble and "protest" merely to stage the invasion of a small town to a) attempt to CONTROL a situation that was of no concern to them and b) announce that they consider themselves a force to be reckoned with.

A handful of the actual residents of Charlottesville stood up against these invaders and as it turns out they had help from other counter-protesters (who were, by the by, also taking advantage of their Constitutional rights to assemble.) that stood up and defended them.

The UTR folks have made it clear that they actively promote an agenda of hatred and stand against equal rights and are glad to enforce their will through violent actions.

Did some of the ANIFA folks "come for trouble" ... yes, they did. Whereas the credo of the Nazis is racial purity and hatred, ANTIFA's, flawed though it may be, is to stand against those ideologies when they become translated into action.

I don't need to show anything to counter your opinion. Trump had one of the softest softballs a President could ever have (to condemn Nazis and White Supremacists) and could have knocked it out of the park, and instead, he caught it and lobbed it gently back at them ... doing just what David Duke told him to do.

The individual rights to free speech and expression arise from a) the common or perhaps natural law and b) the US Constitution. They are LIMITS on what government can do in this country, they are not licenses to cause whatever harm one can.

I hope you're not confusing that.

My first argument is that "right and left" is merely another of the several false dichotomies used to control the masses.

That said, the terms do have some contextual meaning, and as the American use of the terms evolved alongside the European usage, it's absurd to claim that they're two completely different "systems."

That's merely more peanut-gallery rhetoric.

The concept of any American politician being against "Big Government" is nothing more than warmed-over Reaganism.

Both the Republican Party and the Democrats love them some big government so they're more similar than they are different in fact.

"Big government" however, is nothing more than another platitude. Any meaningful distinction between right and left focuses on the action and the intent of action.

There are a thousand ways to analyze these terms to complicate matters; however the essence is painfully clear.

If an action is intended to control what others do it's a right wing action. (Violence is inherently right wing; so is government).

If an action focuses on ensuring freedom to allow the most people to act and live as they choose it's a left wing action.

Right wing actions are authoritarian.

Left wing actions are liberal (or libertarian in the original sense).

Defending against violence is a fundamental right, a natural right.

That's it. From the Estates General all the way to the local property owners' association.

No "complexity" needed.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Teikiatsu

I'm sorry, I find your description of parroting the media screed from the "right-wing" faction as "complex" a tad humorous.

That's nice. Whatever gets you by.

The "case" in Charlottesville is that a bunch of out of town White Supremacist/Nationalist/Nazi thugs decided take advantage of the right to assemble and "protest" merely to stage the invasion of a small town to a) attempt to CONTROL a situation that was of no concern to them and b) announce that they consider themselves a force to be reckoned with.

No concern to them? Interesting verbiage. That'll be a quote used in the future.

Remember, these people did actually apply for a receive a permit to protest.

A handful of the actual residents of Charlottesville stood up against these invaders and as it turns out they had help from other counter-protesters (who were, by the by, also taking advantage of their Constitutional rights to assemble.) that stood up and defended them.

LOL 'invaders' - so dramatic.

Sure they assembled - but no permit.

Remember, we have an unalienable right to assemble in order to air grievances to the government.

The UTR folks have made it clear that they actively promote an agenda of hatred and stand against equal rights and are glad to enforce their will through violent actions.

Yep.

Did some of the ANIFA folks "come for trouble" ... yes, they did. Whereas the credo of the Nazis is racial purity and hatred, ANTIFA's, flawed though it may be, is to stand against those ideologies when they become translated into action.

By your own words they invaded in matters that were no concern of theirs... and without a permit.

I don't need to show anything to counter your opinion.

Then you concede that part of the argument.

Trump had one of the softest softballs a President could ever have (to condemn Nazis and White Supremacists) and could have knocked it out of the park, and instead, he caught it and lobbed it gently back at them ...

Be intellectually honest. It wouldn't have mattered what Trump said.

doing just what David Duke told him to do.

You seriously typed that. Amazing.

The individual rights to free speech and expression arise from a) the common or perhaps natural law and b) the US Constitution. They are LIMITS on what government can do in this country, they are not licenses to cause whatever harm one can.

I hope you're not confusing that.

I wonder if you are confusing LIMITS on 'government' and 'people.'

originally posted by: Gryphon66
My first argument is that "right and left" is merely another of the several false dichotomies used to control the masses.

That said, the terms do have some contextual meaning, and as the American use of the terms evolved alongside the European usage, it's absurd to claim that they're two completely different "systems."

Agreed for the 'Left side'

That's merely more peanut-gallery rhetoric.

Only to someone trying to confuse the issue.

The concept of any American politician being against "Big Government" is nothing more than warmed-over Reaganism.

Strawman. I didn't say anything about politicians.

Both the Republican Party and the Democrats love them some big government so they're more similar than they are different in fact.

We agree on that, for the most part.

"Big government" however, is nothing more than another platitude. Any meaningful distinction between right and left focuses on the action and the intent of action.

Nope. Big government is something that grows with more taxes, regulations, laws, etc. Leftists/Progressives/Statists love it. To them government is the one-size-cures-all.

There are a thousand ways to analyze these terms to complicate matters; however the essence is painfully clear.

Only to someone who likes big government

If an action is intended to control what others do it's a right wing action. (Violence is inherently right wing; so is government).

False narrative. Painful false narrative. We're going to agree to disagree with that entire statement right there.

If an action focuses on ensuring freedom to allow the most people to act and live as they choose it's a left wing action.

That one too.

Right wing actions are authoritarian.

Left wing actions are liberal (or libertarian in the original sense).

Good Lord you actually believe the stuff you are typing above, don't you?

Defending against violence is a fundamental right, a natural right.

Yep.

That's it. From the Estates General all the way to the local property owners' association.

No "complexity" needed.

Lies and distortions from the left can be very simple

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Oh, I do more than "get by" ... posts like yours are unending amusement, particularly the overly pompous ones.

Yes, yes, UTR received a permit to protest and it was revoked when their intentions became clear. I'm speaking to their overt intent, not what forms they filled out. Also, remember that the city tried to keep them away from downtown understanding that their intentions were more than likely violent. They "won" the right to disrupt and agitate right in the center of things ... for the most impact of course.

Who didn't have a permit, the counter-protestors? LOL. Yep, you're wrong again; the counter-protest most certainly had permits.

The Washington Post Fact Checker published a document in an earlier fact-check showing that counter-protesters had indeed acquired an official permit for Saturday, when the Unite the Right march was scheduled.

Source

No, neither you nor the Nazis have an "unlimited right" to anything as has been demonstrated in American jurisprudence for 200 years.

Your hero, Justice Scalia stated that in Heller ... you may have forgotten.

My own words were clear as opposed to your silly attempt to twist them. ANTIFA was there in counter-protest and to protect citizens against the Nazis you keep finding ways to apologize for.

No, I don't have to concede anything to recognize that you have opinions. We all have them. Some smell.

Agreeing with your opinions is so far from the definition of "intellectually honest" the distance is galactic. Cosmic even.

Anything else you wish to overreact to?

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Ah, more cut and pasted snark.

Triggered, huh?

The world is going to #... new rule... anyone that says the N-word is a NAZI even if they are black because in the NWO we treat people equally.

NM

Maybe people should do what the people did with the other "n" word?

If you aren't a nazi but people keep calling you one, maybe we should demonize them for libel or slurs or racism and them start calling each other by the "n" word.

Makes total nonsense doesn't it?

Doesn't even make any sense when you try to tell yourself that you're "taking power" over it.

They only call the right Nazis to have a weapon when the right calls them communist.

Why did Pol Pot murder every college educated man in Cambodia? ...look a Nazi!

You don't argue with Nazi's you hit them. There are a massive 8500 people out of 350 million in the US that call themselves true punch-in-the-face Nazis so the situation is pretty dire. Meanwhile communism is revered on college campuses country wide with students seduced by the promise of centralized production to equal out the atrocities taking place under imperial capitalism.

The Nazi's called themselves socialists but they were doing it wrong. *scrub scrub* Tada.. they represented the right now!