Spotify Banning Neo Nazi Music

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ScepticScot

I am legal and morally obliged to pay for products or services I consume.

I am not legally or morally obliged to buy or facilitate others to buy these good or services.

That is not censorship.

The goods and services are music streaming. You ban some music for political reasons. That's censorship.

Again, and this is getting rather circular, no one had banned anything.

Then why would the guardian article say this?

"Apple denounces neo-Nazis as Spotify bans ‘white power’ tracks"

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ScepticScot

I am legal and morally obliged to pay for products or services I consume.

I am not legally or morally obliged to buy or facilitate others to buy these good or services.

That is not censorship.

The goods and services are music streaming. You ban some music for political reasons. That's censorship.

Again, and this is getting rather circular, no one had banned anything.

Then why would the guardian article say this?

"Apple denounces neo-Nazis as Spotify bans ‘white power’ tracks"

Never thought I would see you use the guardian as a source.

Read Spotifys actual statement.

ETA: the guardian has also referred to Trump's Muslim ban in the past. Did Trump ban muslims?

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: Liquesence
And I don't even like or listen to rap or hip hop.

Then you don't know how misogynistic it is and how it spreads messages of violence against women.

But go ahead...prioritize the black American cause over the cause of women.

As I said in my reply, it's not a fascist ideology of hate.

That's the difference.

The only difference is a disclaimer that the hate and violence portrayed is art.



Spotify should just slap a disclaimer on neo-nazi music and *voila* it's no longer hateful.

Fascism? Please.

One out of four women in the U.S. will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime. Fascism is NOTHING, by comparison.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I will notify them.

Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Kanye West...and many others better get pulled, too.

I think that would only exacerbate the problem. Their hypocrisy and relativism is already apparent.

Why do you care? The white supremacists are free to use other sites or create their own.

I care because censorship drives groups like these underground where they radicalize.

It legitimizes their arguments. It delegitimizes ours.

It proves we are only able to tackle their ideas with force and coercion, and not truth and reason.

It proves we are scared of them.

Worse, censorship is their tactic, not ours. Apparently we are not that different after all.

By your logic ATS is driving radical groups underground and is scared of them.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ScepticScot

I am legal and morally obliged to pay for products or services I consume.

I am not legally or morally obliged to buy or facilitate others to buy these good or services.

That is not censorship.

The goods and services are music streaming. You ban some music for political reasons. That's censorship.

Again, and this is getting rather circular, no one had banned anything.

Then why would the guardian article say this?

"Apple denounces neo-Nazis as Spotify bans ‘white power’ tracks"

Never thought I would see you use the guardian as a source.

Read Spotifys actual statement.

ETA: the guardian has also referred to Trump's Muslim ban in the past. Did Trump ban muslims?

I agree. The Guardian should have used the word "Censored".

a reply to: MotherMayEye

It's the ideology behind it.

Rap might offend, but it is not a hate-filled fascist ideology of supremacy. Neo-Nazism is rooted in Nazism, which is fascist and discriminatory by nature.

That is what you fail to comprehend.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Which radical groups on ATS?

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: Liquesence
And I don't even like or listen to rap or hip hop.

Then you don't know how misogynistic it is and how it spreads messages of violence against women.

But go ahead...prioritize the black American cause over the cause of women.

As I said in my reply, it's not a fascist ideology of hate.

That's the difference.

The only difference is a disclaimer that the hate and violence portrayed is art.

Spotify should just slap a disclaimer on neo-nazi music and *voila* it's no longer hateful.

Fascism? Please.

One out of four women in the U.S. will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime. Fascism is NOTHING, by comparison.

Imagine a music video with a white man relaxing and smoking a cigar while black men and women are hanging by nooses all around him!

Yep. The plight of women, around the world, is a laughable joke compared to the plight of black Americans. The agenda is clear. Your feelings are clear.

"It's different and lesser to be hateful and violent to women."

*vom*

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Deaf Alien

Which radical groups on ATS?

Don't be coy. Let's start with white supremacists.

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: MotherMayEye

It's the ideology behind it.

Rap might offend, but it is not a hate-filled fascist ideology of supremacy. Neo-Nazism is rooted in Nazism, which is fascist and discriminatory by nature.

That is what you fail to comprehend.

It is hate-filled. It is a message of supremacy and violence.

Ask me! Ask me about my life and experiences...as a white woman!

Guess what? When I was 15, I was kidnapped, raped, and the rapist tried to hang me from a tree with an extension cord while I was gagged with my own bra.

Meanwhile, I am supposed to believe that people who never experienced terror and trauma, like that, are more traumatized than me because someone with the same color skin was treated like that 75, 100 years ago.

Face it. You tolerate violence against women. It's a lesser crime than racism to you.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Don't be coy. Let's start with white supremacists.

Yes, the more and more groups such as white supremacists are denied access to avenues of discourse and expression, the more and more they are driven underground where they group together, fester, and radicalize.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Deaf Alien

Don't be coy. Let's start with white supremacists.

Yes, the more and more groups such as white supremacists are denied access to avenues of discourse and expression, the more and more they are driven underground where they group together, fester, and radicalize.

So ATS is helping drive them underground and helping them group together, fester, and radicalize.
Thanks for answering.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

"It's different and lesser to be hateful and violent to women."

Do they systematically believe women are inferior?

Do they look at women at as lesser species that should be eradicated, oppressed or are inferior? Is that their real life ideology?

As I said earlier, the content of the music/lyrics is secondary to the ideology behind it.

One is a coordinated fascist ideology of hate, the other is simply offensive.

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: MotherMayEye

"It's different and lesser to be hateful and violent to women."

Do they systematically believe women are inferior?

Do they look at women at as lesser species that should be eradicated, oppressed or are inferior? Is that their real life ideology?

Yes.

Your attempt to compare and denigrate my experience shows what an exploitative person you are. You feel exploiting the black American experience because it has more political capital (RIGHT NOW) for your personally. I am sure when it's popular (again) to regard the atrocities AROUND THE WORLD committed against women, you will suddenly take up the cause like you give a sh*t. But you don't.

It's clear. You are not fooling anyone now or in the future with that.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Face it. You tolerate violence against women. It's a lesser crime than racism to you.

No, I don't. Lyrics in themselves harm no one.

If the ideology behind the lyrics is one of practiced hate, that is different.

What happened to you is horrible; but that does not justify your argument or the larger context, sorry.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

So ATS is helping drive them underground and helping them group together, fester, and radicalize.

Thanks for answering.

Yes if they do not find areas of expression, they will make them themselves, creating an echo-chamber where criticism will have no chance of changing their minds. Your welcome.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Your attempt to compare and denigrate my experience shows what an exploitative person you are.

I'm sorry, again, for what happened to you.

And no offense, but your personal experience means # in the larger context of this argument. Anecdotal fallacy.

Back to topic: Neo-nazism is a systematic ideology of hate, oppression, and discrimination. Rap/Hip is not.

Period.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Deaf Alien

So ATS is helping drive them underground and helping them group together, fester, and radicalize.

Thanks for answering.

Yes if they do not find areas of expression, they will make them themselves, creating an echo-chamber where criticism will have no chance of changing their minds. Your welcome.

I'm sure the ATS owners appreciate it.

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Face it. You tolerate violence against women. It's a lesser crime than racism to you.

No, I don't. Lyrics in themselves harm no one.

If the ideology behind the lyrics is one of practiced hate, that is different.

What happened to you is horrible; but that does not justify your argument or the larger context, sorry.

You're sick.

Your self-professed 'tolerance' is driven by what you think will serve YOU and bring YOU the most personal satisfaction. There's nothing genuine about it.

Not only are you exploiting the black American experience, but you are denigrating the experience of women around the world to suit a political argument.

You don't care about black Americans or women. We are pawns to be used.

That's obvious.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

I'm sure the ATS owners appreciate it.

It was you who brought them up.