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Why you don't go to church?

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posted on Mar, 1 2005 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by LadyV
*It's more of a get together than what it should be


One cannot make someone have open ears and an open heart. That's up to the people. I'm interested in hearing though, what should it be?


Originally posted by LadyV
*Everyone is too concerned with what everyone else is wearing


Not everyone. I don't dress up and many I see don't. I agree church should be come as you are. I'm having trouble picturing Jesus saying, "I need to get into my best digs to walk among these people".


Originally posted by LadyV
*you listen to "one" person's view/interpretation/ideas on everything


That's not supposed to be what's happening. The pastor or whoever does talk to the scripture, but not to the degree of adding opinion. If they do, they need to be making the distinction. Even still, what's written is what's written and not everyone is going to just 'go along' with a pastor's opinion. Also, before and after gives a great opportunity to talk to the peeps around you about what was said or the topic. It's a forum much like....dare I say...ATS!


Originally posted by LadyV
*Some Christians are hypocrites "Love your neighbor except those who are different"


This is true, sadly. It should not be and as you preach this to me, I've heard the same from the pastor. Amen sister LadyV!


Originally posted by LadyV
*the majority of the people there were out the night before drinking, having sex, doing drugs, or any other things that is "unchristian" but sit there on Sunday morning and act righteous....those same people are great at telling others they are ungodly because they sin...


Majority? You know the private lives of a church majority? Congratulations. I've been going for a year and only know about a 10th of the people there (though it is a large church) and even still not to that degree yet.


Originally posted by LadyV
*though many Wiccans attend a church for worship if a Wiccan church is not in their area, I don't.


Excellent for those attenders, this is great news to hear I think.


[edit on 1-3-2005 by saint4God]




posted on Mar, 1 2005 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by saint4God


Majority? You know the private lives of a church majority? Congratulations. I've been going for a year and only know about a 10th of the people there (though it is a large church) and even still not to that degree yet.


I say majority because every single Christian that I "personally" know....either cheats on their significant, drinks, parties, is porn addicted, lies, etc, and then sits up in church on Sunday .....some to more degrees than others.....now before I get jumped by all the Christians here.....I am simple saying that most of the non-Christians I know are not anywhere near as bad in the sin department as the Christians I know...no one is perfect, but the non Christian I am friendly with, are not hateful, don't cheat, and most don't drink at all, though many smoke.....that's what I was taking into consideration with the word "majority"....from those I personally know. I'd say probably by hte law of averages, I'm right....

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posted on Mar, 1 2005 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by LadyV
I say majority because every single Christian that I "personally" know....either cheats on their significant, drinks, parties, is porn addicted, lies, etc, and then sits up in church on Sunday .....some to more degrees than others.....


Ouch, sorry to hear. As you'd said on a previous post, if only they'd read their own Book. Shucks, at church someone is reading it to them!
If that were the case for me, I'd have to let them know and/or get a new crew to hang out with. Sounds like you know more "Christians" than Christians. I can see how you'd be upset by the hypocritical ones in the quote marks.


Originally posted by LadyV
but the non Christian I am friendly with, are not hateful, don't cheat, and most don't drink at all, though many smoke.....that's what I was taking into consideration with the word "majority"....from those I personally know. I'd say probably by hte law of averages, I'm right....


I guess my law of averages is different *shrug*. Does that mean between the pair of us, it average out?
In any case, one shouldn't be going to church because of the other people there.

[edit on 1-3-2005 by saint4God]

[edit on 1-3-2005 by saint4God]



posted on Mar, 1 2005 @ 04:03 PM
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Church, just like the internet is a place to find people who have the same interests as you ... simply put..
now-a-days, it's become commercialized.. about your money.. or "faith" and what the church does with it.. (and you hope its the right thing)
now-a-days, it's about the energy.... spiritual power and believe it or not oil...



posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 11:49 AM
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hmm...........

Reasons I don't go to church..........

1) Can stay up later on Saturday and sleep in on Sunday morning

2) If I choose I can get work yard work and landscaping done early on Sunday and have the rest of the day to enjoy

3) If I choose I can get house work done in early morning on Sunday and have the rest of the day to enjoy

4) Don't have to shave that morning

5) Don't have to shower that morning

6) Don't have to dress up in good clothes that morning.........I do that all week at work and am tired of wearing good clothes by Friday.

7) I don't go and be able to get to an activity like a football game or race without being late

8) Save money with no pledging to church funds that often go wasted on stuff like..........keeping church parking lights on all night!

9) Don't have to fake how wonderful it is to be alive and that everyone is so great..........

10) Can watch Forumla One racing live on Sunday morning Speed Channel

11) Don't have to worry about being targeted by a bombing or machine guy spraying from some Islamic militant............(believe me that day is coming)

12) If the weather is miserable I don't have to worry about going out in it that morning......no slipping and sliding, no shoveling snow or scraping ice........no risking getting in a fender bender on bad roads

13) Don't have to be preached to about things I don't even do or participate in........

14) Don't have to put up with theology or dogma that has no objective or rational approach to existence.........

15) Dont' have to sit in hard pews or unconfortable seats and then have to stand up and sing for 5 to 10 mins at a time.

16) Don't have to say hi with a plastered smile on my face to my "brothers and sisters" and small talk about nothing...........

17) Can read a book of my choice while relaxing on the couch.

18) Can use the time to catch up on bill paying, web surfing, office work brought home and other tasks that I don't have time for during weeknights.

How many more reasons do you want to know?....................There's a ton of reason why not to go to church.



posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 12:24 PM
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I thought it'd be fun to play-by-play these. Not trying to pick them apart or anything.


Originally posted by futuretense
hmm...........

Reasons I don't go to church..........

1) Can stay up later on Saturday and sleep in on Sunday morning


I've missed a few Sundays myself because of that be it EverQuest, friends coming over and playing Axis & Allies, etc. Good thing church is not mandatory Sundays. Sometimes I go and cat-nap in the afternoon if I had a late night before.


Originally posted by futuretense
2) If I choose I can get work yard work and landscaping done early on Sunday and have the rest of the day to enjoy

3) If I choose I can get house work done in early morning on Sunday and have the rest of the day to enjoy


I've shifted a lot of stuff to Saturday to relax & enjoy Sunday.


Originally posted by futuretense
4) Don't have to shave that morning


Leviticus says not to shave anyway. Go kosher and quote the verse if anyone comments


Leviticus 19:21 "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard". It'll get you into a nice discussion on why things were that way and such.


Originally posted by futuretense
5) Don't have to shower that morning


Well, okay. I admit. If someone sits next to me, deep down I'd hope they showered as a courtesy. Sorry friend, can't help ya here



Originally posted by futuretense
6) Don't have to dress up in good clothes that morning.........I do that all week at work and am tired of wearing good clothes by Friday.


Hear here! Down with the fancy clothes! If anyone says anything about the digs, ask them what Jesus wore among his peeps. He didn't bleach and press his robe while wandering up and down Israel I'm fairly certain.


Originally posted by futuretense
7) I don't go and be able to get to an activity like a football game or race without being late


Late shmate, you're there, that's all that counts really. If the pastor says, "___ why are you late to my service?" I'll be very surprised.


Originally posted by futuretense
8) Save money with no pledging to church funds that often go wasted on stuff like..........keeping church parking lights on all night!


Don't give. That's only there for people who want to give. Jesus says, "Give to Ceasar what it Ceasars" and talks about how rich people will have a hard time getting into Heaven (because they can't take it with them).


Originally posted by futuretense
9) Don't have to fake how wonderful it is to be alive and that everyone is so great..........


Don't fake. Yuck. Where does it say to fake?


Originally posted by futuretense
10) Can watch Forumla One racing live on Sunday morning Speed Channel


DVD Recorder my friend, they work wonders. VCR works just as well. You can have mine if it's that important to ya. What's an hour and a half delay among friends?


Originally posted by futuretense
11) Don't have to worry about being targeted by a bombing or machine guy spraying from some Islamic militant............(believe me that day is coming)


What? Oh. Maybe someday *shrug*. But extreme Islamist terrorists target moreso unbelievers than Christians or Jews, right? Well, that's the info I've been getting from related threads anyway.


Originally posted by futuretense
12) If the weather is miserable I don't have to worry about going out in it that morning......no slipping and sliding, no shoveling snow or scraping ice........no risking getting in a fender bender on bad roads


One should stay home if it's not safe to travel. I think God will understand.


Originally posted by futuretense
13) Don't have to be preached to about things I don't even do or participate in........


Aha! Meat and potatoes here. Think about what makes sense and why, then apply it. I think that's the key.


Originally posted by futuretense
14) Don't have to put up with theology or dogma that has no objective or rational approach to existence.........


True it's not objective, but rationale is centric. There's a reason for all of it, that's why we go.


Originally posted by futuretense
15) Dont' have to sit in hard pews or unconfortable seats and then have to stand up and sing for 5 to 10 mins at a time.


Yeah, pews should has some kind of cushioning, glad mine does. Some separate out songs at the beginning and the rest after so I know a few who show up after the music, but the band is awesome so I don't know why they'd miss out. Very much like alternative. I wouldn't mind some soul or funk now and then either.


Originally posted by futuretense
16) Don't have to say hi with a plastered smile on my face to my "brothers and sisters" and small talk about nothing...........


I agree, no-one should do that.


Originally posted by futuretense
17) Can read a book of my choice while relaxing on the couch.


May I offer some suggested reading then?


Originally posted by futuretense
18) Can use the time to catch up on bill paying, web surfing, office work brought home and other tasks that I don't have time for during weeknights.


Kinda defeats the reasons for relaxing that you'd listed above, no?


Originally posted by futuretense
How many more reasons do you want to know?....................There's a ton of reason why not to go to church.


Sure, if you have more to add. I think a lot of people have the same reasons you do. This is pretty interesting I think. I've got some ones to add but go nonetheless.

[edit on 2-3-2005 by saint4God]



posted on Mar, 4 2005 @ 07:39 PM
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I am sorry to say this but....
What do you think you are saying?
Are we Christians supposed to be perfect? 'Cause if that is what you are looking for, you are very ignorant for people trying to deny ignorance.

No human is perfect, but that doesn't condone sin. How can you judge all of Christianity on some of your so called "Christian" aquaintances? I am not Catholic, however I find calling all priest molesters is stereotypical. Have you people forgotten what you are on this forum to do? If you continue to follow stereotypes, then how can you even show your face on this forum?

Christianity is not a bunch of religions just cobbled together. Can you name any other religion where a God came down to earth and suffered to save the world?



posted on Mar, 4 2005 @ 07:55 PM
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I worship from home on a daily basis..I ask for guidance and pray to "God"

I dont have to go be a part of a group who goes to church and in most cases leave only to go to the bar room, to cheat on their spouses, to gamble, or abuse children. I have a short fuse when it comes to hypocrates. I'm not saying that every churchgoes does this; just a good percentage, enough to turn me off. God could care less if you attend church as long as you try to live a clean life, IMHO.



posted on Mar, 4 2005 @ 08:09 PM
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I attend church every sunday I can, and on special religious occasions as well. For me it's a specific time I have set aside each week to personally reflect on how things are going in my life, to pray for the well-being of those I love and those suffering worldwide, to recognize and show gratitude for all I have and enjoy, and to renew my efforts to become a better person. I really look forward to it every week. When I leave I feel spiritually refreshed and renewed. It's a great thing!



posted on Mar, 4 2005 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
I worship from home on a daily basis..I ask for guidance and pray to "God"

I dont have to go be a part of a group who goes to church and in most cases leave only to go to the bar room, to cheat on their spouses, to gamble, or abuse children. I have a short fuse when it comes to hypocrates. I'm not saying that every churchgoes does this; just a good percentage, enough to turn me off. God could care less if you attend church as long as you try to live a clean life, IMHO.


So you're saying you don't go to church because of the other people who go?



posted on Mar, 4 2005 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by Partyof1
I attend church every sunday I can, and on special religious occasions as well. For me it's a specific time I have set aside each week to personally reflect on how things are going in my life, to pray for the well-being of those I love and those suffering worldwide, to recognize and show gratitude for all I have and enjoy, and to renew my efforts to become a better person. I really look forward to it every week. When I leave I feel spiritually refreshed and renewed. It's a great thing!


Awesome to hear your testimony, very refreshing. Right on!



posted on Mar, 4 2005 @ 09:15 PM
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Luke 23:45

And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.




I've always been taught that this passage records the moment that the need for a Priest to intercede for my sins and direct my relationship with God ended. It takes place at the moment Jesus died, bringing into the world the new age, or current dispensation.

What this tells me simply is that there is no building on this planet that holds the answer/fellowship that I need. Christ's message was one of individuality, not community. The Disciples made it a communal thing. If you disagree with me, read John chapter 3. His dialogue with Nicodemus is all about the individual's relationship, and the individual's salvation/damnation. Even in John 14, he speaks in the singular when answering Thomas' questions.

Communities have the potential for becoming very dangerous intities. For example: Look at the current state of the FCC. Everyone in broadcast communications here in the US is scared to say anything simply because of the reactions of the right which is made up of large groups of religious communities for the most part. (Fear the right!)

If you want to go to Church, go. If there is something there that will help you, go. But beware of the hypocracy and lies that stand at the door. You will not find God, Jesus, or the Holy Ghost in a Church in Kansas.

You won't find a Cross in Jesus' livingroom either. That would be a violation of the first commandment:

Exodus 20:3-4

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:



posted on Mar, 4 2005 @ 09:28 PM
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But beware of the hypocracy and lies that stand at the door.


Hypocracy and lies are found everywhere in this world. Sometimes in church, sometimes not. Strive to recognize the good, no matter where you find yourself, even if there's a cross on the wall.




posted on Mar, 4 2005 @ 09:45 PM
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Church is not a building, nor a congregation, or even a relationship with another that you consider inspired.

Church is the sorrow you feel in your own soul and the joy you feel in your heart as you live in a world that must deal with you.

Church is the daily relationship you have with this life, and your creator, as you go about doing what ever it is that you do.

If you can't see God in everything than you can't see God in anything.

The church and God simply are within you. They always were and always will be.

In the end perhaps you will come to understand that this journey was never about the church, It wasn't even about God, It was about you and the person that you chose to become.

Yes, You are that important.

Love and light,

Wupy



posted on Mar, 15 2005 @ 08:13 PM
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Holy Crap! You're all not in Church ... !!!!
Where the hell are you ... OOB????

The church is your body ..... stop listening to the stupid pagans.. orthodoxy my prosterior...



posted on Mar, 15 2005 @ 08:34 PM
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with me i dont go because i cant get out...need a wheelchair van with an inverter to even consider it...so i dont.



posted on Mar, 15 2005 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by Mizar
I here from people all the time who say stuff like , " I don't want to go to mass because I don't believe in organized relgion. I think that faith is a personal matter and should be between you and God only. So I refuse to go to mass"

Why is it that alot of people say this? Why don't you go to church?

Is it that bad that you take catholic beliefs but you say stuff above and reconize that the euchraist is the presense of christ and the lord but refuse to go because there are other people? I don't see what is so evil about going to some place for a hour each week to be in the presence of what you believe to be your God. Anyone who has strong beliefs and was told hey you can get closer to your god by going here would go and do it. Is it fear of being brain washed by your "horrible evil" pastor? why?


Yes i belive ones religion is a personal matter. I do not go to church (although now my parents are forcing me) and have never seen a point in it. I do not fear organized religion and I do accept the eucharist around the easter time... (holy thursday, good fiday, etc etc.) ..

What are some reasons for me TO go to church?



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 07:14 AM
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Originally posted by Partyof1

But beware of the hypocracy and lies that stand at the door.


Hypocracy and lies are found everywhere in this world. Sometimes in church, sometimes not. Strive to recognize the good, no matter where you find yourself, even if there's a cross on the wall.



I'm starting to become a fan of ya Partyof1, glad to have you around
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posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 02:30 PM
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So someone wants to know why I don't go to church? Well I'll tell yeah in one simple word : SEXISM!!!!!!!!!!! The f***ing Bible is full of it with all it's patriarchy!!!! Not to mention the fact that all the women in that damned book ever do is "bear sons" and are expected to obey their stupid husabands. Bearing a child is only valid if it's male, daughters are irrelevant. So F*** Christianity and every other religion on this planet as well.



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by ufo_believer
So someone wants to know why I don't go to church? Well I'll tell yeah in one simple word : SEXISM!!!!!!!!!!! The f***ing Bible is full of it with all it's patriarchy!!!! Not to mention the fact that all the women in that damned book ever do is "bear sons" and are expected to obey their stupid husabands. Bearing a child is only valid if it's male, daughters are irrelevant. So F*** Christianity and every other religion on this planet as well.


I think if you bend the spine of the Book, you may be surprised to find a lot of supporters for the rights of women. My personal favorite is God, who made woman as a companion whereas the 2 fleshes would become one (Genesis 2:24), not a servant for the master. How about when Jesus defended a woman about to be stoned to death for adultry? By law she was to be put to death but his compassion knew no gender. Or maybe even Paul who everyone likes to accuse for hating women, freeing up the obligation of women having to get married and raise children. Yes, that address to the church was not for a 'secret men's club', but the women of the church as well as the men. There are a numerous stories to continue on with. So you see, throughout the Bible, the people who are good servants of God weren't male and female, but all children of the Creator. This is the perspective that is was written and intentionally so.


[edit on 16-3-2005 by saint4God]



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