I was in Charlottesville. Trump was wrong about violence on the left

a reply to: network dude

The "Left" only brought weapons the second day after having spent the previous night being pepper-sprayed and beaten by torches that were held by the "Right". This is as per the first hand account.

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: Grambler

Which side has more motivation to lie and claim innocence?

The antifascists.

originally posted by: Avicenne

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Avicenne

originally posted by: Jefferton
People on both sides are violent. No one can deny that.

It doesn't mean either side is inherently evil. Anyone who gets caught up in that belief is just wrong.

And that's why I stopped coming in here. ATS has become an alt right nursery.

If you can't see or understand that white men with torches on the US soil is worrying and if you view people opposing these views as the same, well there's the problem. Dialogue is impossible.

Nazi apologist.

Wow just wow. All he said is both sides are violent and bam hes a NAzi. You guys are seriously delusional.

You're delusional.

I'll ask you too .... were the people fighting Hitler violent as well ?

So white Americans? No not violent atall LOL Delusional.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: Grambler

Which side has more motivation to lie and claim innocence?

The antifascists.

Your evidence?

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: xuenchen
Another great made-up fantastic story.

Prove it's made up.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Awaiting your proof......

Isn't it the party making the initial claims that has to present proof?.....maybe that's changed. You sound like the FB groups I belong to, not someone on ATS.

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: iTruthSeeker

The "left" attacked no-one at Charlottesville. First hand accounts prove that the Right instigated and continued the violence and that the "Left" merely defended itself.

Did you even read the article before responding?

Plenty of pics and video showing the opposite. Sorry.

Man, this # is getting more pathetic than #russiagate..


What a great anecdotal story from one person, that was obviously everywhere at all all times to know everything that went down.

a reply to: Kryties

a reply to: pavil

It's a first hand account by a real person who was there.

It's a bit bloody ridiculous to then come along and just reply "It's fake" without offering any evidence as if we should believe them "just because".

If he posts evidence to PROVE it's fake then we'll discuss that.

I saw quite a few videos of both sides fighting. Both sides had their troublemakers. Trump is not wrong saying it takes two to tangle. This guy is only seeing things from his own perspective, he evidently is blind to anything other than he believes.

If your beliefs blind you to the whole picture, you will not see half of what is out there. Your focus is one sided.

a reply to: neo96
and.......... it seems that the women killed is a resident of the city, and all of those with major injuries that I could track down are from the city...
has anyone found a non-resident that with major injuries? or is the message being sent more like...
how dare the cities feel free to govern themselves without interference from the outside???

originally posted by: bender151

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: iTruthSeeker

The "left" attacked no-one at Charlottesville. First hand accounts prove that the Right instigated and continued the violence and that the "Left" merely defended itself.

Did you even read the article before responding?

Plenty of pics and video showing the opposite. Sorry.

THEN POST THEM.

You're the 4th person to claim that their is video evidence to disprove the topic, SO POST IT. I keep asking this and nobody posts the evidence - why is that?

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: Grambler

Which side has more motivation to lie and claim innocence?

Both?

See, here we go again.

Your claim was "Here is someone that was there, so this must be the truuth"

Some people say that could be a lie, you say prove it.

Then I post examples of some people there who say both sides were violent. You immediately say they have motivation to lie.

So basically, your argument boils down to "I know that one side was right, so I believe them and not the other"

Ok, thats what you and otthers have been saying all along. But don't act like this article somehow proves anything.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: Grambler

Which side has more motivation to lie and claim innocence?

The antifascists.

Your evidence?

The antifascist playbook everyone can read it.

"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

en.wikipedia.org...

The left loves to cry victim all the time.

Point of fact. They've never been one.

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: network dude

The "Left" only brought weapons the second day after having spent the previous night being pepper-sprayed and beaten by torches that were held by the "Right". This is as per the first hand account.

So "the left" came back looking for a fight. Got it. Do you believe they were more correct? Or do you think that stooping to the level of violent idiots was the correct action to take?

a reply to: rickymouse

Are those videos of two sides equally fighting each other - or one side instigating and the other merely defending?

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: pavil

It's a first hand account by a real person who was there.

It's a bit bloody ridiculous to then come along and just reply "It's fake" without offering any evidence as if we should believe them "just because".

If he posts evidence to PROVE it's fake then we'll discuss that.

Sure.

Post evidence to prove the people I listed were fake.

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: network dude

The "Left" only brought weapons the second day after having spent the previous night being pepper-sprayed and beaten by torches that were held by the "Right". This is as per the first hand account.

The hardcore Antifa were still on the busses coming in Friday. The Friday counterprotestors from what I have read were mostly college students there. And yes the behavior of the Neo Nazis and white supremacists on Friday was appalling and I'm sure some should have been arrested. Where were the Police Friday? Their absence Friday set the table for what happened Saturday

a reply to: neo96

Sounds like a great way to combat Fascism and white supremacy.

Someone's got to do it.

There is video evidence that proves both sides were on the attack.

I can't stand the racist bastards, I also can't stand the lawless bastards.

I may be wrong, but I believe only one group was there legally with a permit. A legal demonstration met with an illegal demonstration and both sides clashed.