I was in Charlottesville. Trump was wrong about violence on the left

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Grambler

Why jumping to conclusions already? You think I'm scared for not wanting to be filmed by a friggin rightwingnut outlet, just to be monetized and presented as the badman next to his commercials for chicken bone dust with chocolate?

Then you would be breaking the law.

Don't think so, no. Right of information privacy? Go and sue me, Alex!

#BetterCallSaul

Ok, don't believe me?

Go to a rally and grab the first reports camera you see there and rip out the film for filming you.

Have fun with your legal troubles.

Imagine if on friday the torch wielding scum bags would have grabbed the Vice reportes cameras and took the film. You and others (and I) would have been outraged.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: anonfamily



Me? I'd confiscate the whole footage or camera for filming me without asking for permission. The Infowarriors can be happy just to have lost some tears over that.

Then you would be breaking the law.

You would have been protesting on public property. You have no right to confiscate film, whcih is someone elses personal property.

Antifa typess physically attack people filming them all of the time. You post is the same mentality they use.

Why do you think they are so afraid to be filmed?

See? It's right out in the open. "Public Opinion"'s opinion means more than acres of settled law on a topic his disagrees with and would just ignore, no, willing break. Such a peaceful protestor, my ass.

a reply to: Kryties


• Chinese Proverb: There are 3 truths; my truth, your truth, and THE truth
• American Proverb: It takes two to tango
• The author is using click bait tactics with his false title. He was not in Charlotte it was Jason Wilson.
• Mr. Wilson is “a visiting fellow at Swinburne University's Institute for Social Research”, I think his perspective may be a bit biased
• His article was published by TheGuardian.com which is part of the liberal UK MSM
• Some quotes
o “Some of the people trapped around the statue responded with fists and pepper spray, but their actions, and their posture, was entirely defensive from the start” – no one goes to demonstrate peacefully with pepper spray in their pocket.
o “… most counter-protesters adopted an entirely defensive posture” – offense or defense depends on which side of the line you are on and who “throws the first punch”
o “At the time they did this, they were being monitored by counter-protesters, some of whom were themselves armed. But the fact that they were watching was welcomed by West, who said: “We would have been crushed like cockroaches if it were not for the anarchists and the antifascists.”” – so a firsthand account by Mr. Wilson that anarchists and anti-fa came armed which I’m sure was only for self-defense like Berkley and other protests these hate groups participated in
o “… the right had come prepared for violence, appeared to be thirsting for it and committed far more of it than the other side.” – so the right came armed, the left came armed, both committed violence but the left should bear no responsibility because the right committed the worse violence. Sounds like he just vindicated Trump.
• In summary, a left-wing rag publishing an eye witness account of a left-wing author devoid of journalistic balance while quoting a Socialist (West) for support. The left wants to invoke images of Gandhi inspired non-violent protestors only trying to protect themselves rather than the reality of sending in their storm troopers (anarchists & anti-fa) to suppress free speech. And before you call me a racist Nazi I think the white supremacy nut jobs are truly deplorable. As we used to say “while I may disagree with what you say I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

a reply to: DrChandra

Excellent points all.

Further to my previous statement as well...all very carefully orchestrated to give the appearance of an objective viewpoint from anything but an objective writer and media.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: DrChandra

Excellent points all.

Further to my previous statement as well...all very carefully orchestrated to give the appearance of an objective viewpoint from anything but an objective writer and media.

Nooooooo....... Media would never do that. Next you'll say they edit video to advance whatever point they are trying to get the public to digest. They'd NEVER do that, they are true journalists!

Uh Oh!

a reply to: pavil

How does disdain for Alex Jones propaganda collude with my abilities to protest peacefully?

Care to enlighten me?

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: pavil

How does disdain for Alex Jones propaganda collude with my abilities to protest peacefully?

Care to enlighten me?

Because you are suggesting taking their personal property by force.

a reply to: pavil

I think you forgot the "/sarcasm" thing!

a reply to: Grambler

Careful with that covfefe! I'm suggesting to defend private property, my data isn't their property to begin with. A few years ago ATSers would've used their guns for stuff like that.
Now I'm labeled a violent protestor for suggesting to preserve personal rights. Quite the rich tapestry!

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: pavil

How does disdain for Alex Jones propaganda collude with my abilities to protest peacefully?

Care to enlighten me?

.

How did that stop you from protesting peacefully?

a reply to: PublicOpinion

your image isnt protected if you are in public like that. You are not famous. you are not being hounded. you are a incidental image. If you were not doing something wrong you would not care would you?

originally posted by: Bob350
Information is easily found and just shows how far the socialist in this country will go to destroy America.

Did you notice from my previous link to wikipedia that there were socialist organizations represented on both sides? 2 of them even have it in their name, listed under "counter-protesters" is:

"the Democratic Socialists of America,[51]"

And under "protesters" (the so-called "alt-right"):

"the National Socialist Movement.[19]"

After all...
Nazi Party - Wikipedia

The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei ..., abbreviated NSDAP), commonly referred to in English as the Nazi Party (/ˈnɑːtsi/), was a far-right political party in Germany that was active between 1920 and 1945 and practised the ideology of Nazism. Its precursor, the German Workers' Party (Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; DAP), existed from 1919 to 1920.

Other notable names represented under "counter-protesters":

"the Workers World Party,[52] ...the Industrial Workers of the World,[55][56]"

And among the "protesters":

"the Traditionalist Workers Party,[23]"

Just wake up to the game that is being played on you. The leaders of these organizations are all in it to line their pockets exploiting people's greed, stupidity and/or pride (incl. group dynamics and group thinking), taking an example from the master of these techniques, the one that managed to get rich and even his hands on the presidency using these techniques (and the one he serves without realizing it, see article entitled "Winning the battle for your mind" that I linked earlier to find out who that is). That's what happens when people don't seem to be able to care about taking 1 Corinthians 15:33 to heart (or any of the bible verses I quoted earlier and many I haven't quoted in this thread but can be found in my threads on ATS or where I more usually make comments):

Do not be misled. Bad associations spoil useful habits.* [Or “corrupt good morals.”]

People just can't seem to get enough...

"But let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar..." (Romans 3:4)

He is a liar! (part 1 of 2) - playlist

More emotions that can be exploited and techniques are listed in this article which precedes the page linked in my signature:

The Manipulation of Information: Awake!—2000

a reply to: Kryties

So all those people throwing balloons filled with feces and urine at the nationalists standing below the statue weren't from the left then? I saw that with my own eyes and I didn't have to be there, it was all over the television. I suppose that throwing a balloon full of your crap at another human being isn't considered violent by the left..lol

a reply to: whereislogic

"the Democratic Socialists of America,[51]"

And under "protesters" (the so-called "alt-right"):

"the National Socialist Movement.

Is that actually happening?

You'd really equate social democracy with nationalsocialism due to one word both organisations share? There is no difference between Nazi Germany and the later BRD social democracy due to ... wait for it... semantics?

Wow. Glory to the power of Newspeak!

#BurgerPerspective

a reply to: PublicOpinion

I didn't ignore it.

There is word that it was self defense, and judging by all the videos I have seen from the event it looks to be true. The left was so violent that one of the right feared his life and reacted, which would be justifiable.

So until the trial is over you can't speak about it. The video evidence speaks for itself and there is a ton of it, not just from InfoWars.

Why is it ok for the left to defend themselves, but not the right? What kind of one sided BS is that?

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
Me? I'd confiscate the whole footage or camera for filming me without asking for permission. The Infowarriors can be happy just to have lost some tears over that.

As others have stated, you'd be in the wrong and considered a criminal. Videographers do not need your permission when in public. You should probably learn the law of the land before you open your silly mouth.

a reply to: Kryties

I am not drawing sides nor claim to had been there. But there is plenty of videos that show them being violent on youtube.

I don't care what your message is.. but when you illegally show up in groves to silence another person's view who went through the paperwork to be given a time and place to voice your opinion.. be it right or wrong.. makes you a fascist and a hypocrite.

Right or wrong, you have the right to protest and voice your opinion. RIGHT OR WRONG. I don't care if they are all KKK members (which they weren't ) they have the right to protest and share their opinion.

Showing up, illegally and protesting a protest, is censorship. They didn't go to voice their opinion, they went to bust up a legal protests.

So call it whatever, but I agree with the president. Both are to blame, both showed violence, but more importantly.. one side wasn't heard.

a reply to: anonfamily

Criminal...lol. Infowars. I'm a videographer, too! Am I a celebrity, do I need to be? Anyway. We're lagging at least one Patriot Act behind and I'm not in our free speech corner to comment on the rest. I'm a Kraut, we've done stuff like that regulary for hundrets of years - that's what our stylish courtrooms make a living from and I'm not the one to break with good traditions.

But hey, thanks for the fish n chirps! Me? I couldn't care less about this legal debate. Still... sue me, Alex! Broadsword or Halbert?

Yeah, well I live in Portland and the so called, " Progressive" group was not as their namesake implied. Granted, there were no deaths, but there was violence and destruction of property. And, Obama, instead of disavowing the acts (not just Portland) , fueled the actions by encouraging the protest with words of support for standing up against oppression.

For the record I'm neither Democrat nor Republican- I have no party leaning. I voted for neither, or any party, for that matter. I do not label you as one of the members of these installed groups of psychological warfare. I simply see you as being blind to the fact that those behind this insurrection are not on any "official side" , either. Furthermore, I believe there are people on both sides of the devide, capable of terrible acts like this. However, I urge to step back from the mainstream-political narrative, and with an open mind, research what is known and the reoccurring players. You might find that extremist Nazzis still exist and impulsive leftist-ideologs are not figments of the imagination. Also, you will discover that the beneficiary for these events are not you or I.

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: whereislogic

You'd really equate social democracy with nationalsocialism due to one word both organisations share?

No I did not. I was responding to someone using the term "socialist" without further specification what type of socialist. The fact remains that there are those who refer to themselves as "socialist" (and "worker's party") on both sides. What words they add in front of or behind that to differentiate from eachother (or what different ideologies they teach or promote) is irrelevant to the point I was making. And it doesn't say "social democracy" but "the Democratic Socialists of America", i.e. socialists of the democratic kind, still professing to be socialists (I suspect to appeal to those who are inclined to be affected by that term). And "the National Socialist Movement" is also professing to be a socialist movement, of the nationalistic kind. All of this is still irrelevant and a red herring from the point I was making. Words and terminologies are used to appeal to a specific target audience (to tickle their ears as described at 2 Timothy 4:3, 4) and you're all being played (by agitating the emotions, by exploiting insecurities, by pushing buttons, etc., i.e. by using propaganda techniques). Of course my warning or wake-up call is not welcomed by those who are making money (or getting some kind of ego stroking) out of this and will likely fall on deaf ears by those taken in by these marketing techniques (telling people what they want to hear, what appeals to them, tickling their ears) and who are too far gone. That's why my comment is primarily for those who haven't been completely taken in by politics and these types of activism. Or I could phrase that as I hope it will have some positive effect on those, I'm not expecting much from those that are too deep into that stuff (or get something out of it that they don't want to give up).

Here's a bit more about socialists in the time the Nazis became popular that those who are proud of the label "socialist" would like people to forget (please don't be put off because it's Glenn Beck sharing this information, anyone could have shared these historical facts). I recommend starting the video at 3:01 and stopping it at 6:11 to not get distracted with misleading mental pathways and what the Glenn Beck show wants to talk about and what they want their audience to think about (following their agenda against the so-called "left" or "socialism"; better focus or zoom in on the topics discussed in the videos below that, not that the start before 3:01 is particularly misleading, but the phrase "it wasn't" at 6:11 can be better followed up by the 3rd, 4th or 5th video, and that would then become "the something inherent in the philosophy" spoken of at 3:01, so you can also watch them the other way around; well having another look after 6:11 there isn't anything misleading there either, but nothing particularly important to be aware of either, best just move on where Haeckel and G.B. Shaw got their ideas/philosophies from and whose views they shared or who they associated with providing another demonstration of 1 Corinthians 15:33):





Pardon the bad language in the video below at times (and please skip 8:20 - 8:37 to avoid something that is very poorly phrased):