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US/North Korea alliance?

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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 07:30 PM
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Well ladies and gentlemen, there are some within the US who are calling for a US/North Korean alliance in order to counter China.




For decades, the United States has been trying to get China to use its influence and power to isolate North Korea. Now, experts are asking, why doesn’t the United States try working with North Korea to isolate China? That could be a game changer not just for the North Korea crisis but for the entire region.

The Kim Jong Un regime is no friend of Beijing. In fact, China-North Korea relations are at a historic low point since the young Kim came to power. Kim has refused to meet with senior Chinese leaders, and he even apparently assassinated his own half-brother, who was living under Chinese protection. The time might be right to approach Kim with a better deal for his regime and his people by offering him a grand bargain that would take North Korea away from China and bring it into the camp of the United States and its allies.





“Historically, the Koreans always mistrust the Chinese. They like Chinese money, but that doesn’t necessarily translate into political influence,” said Jenny Town, assistant director of the U.S.-Korea Institute at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. “There’s always an opportunity to further antagonize that relationship.”





By talking to the North Korean regime about something Washington and Pyongyang are both concerned about — China — the Trump administration could reset the chess board.


www.washingtonpost.com...

Also in another source called Value Walk:




How likely are strong US-North Korea relations against China? Will the U.S. play its trump card on North Korea to isolate Beijing?





As cracks deepen in the decades-old friendship between Pyongyang and its chief sponsor state, China, the U.S. may have found an antidote to Beijing’s expanding economic and political footprint in Asia.





Does the Trump administration have a trump card up its sleeve to bring North Korea into its sphere of influence to dismantle Pyongyang’s missile program and shrink China’s influence in the region, something both North and the U.S. are equally concerned about?

While strong US-North Korea relations are unlikely at this point, the Trump administration has a unique opportunity to approach the rogue state with a different tactic now that the tensions have subsided and now that China-North partnership is standing on thin ice.

Despite their close ties from the Korean War through the day Kim assumed office in 2011, relations between Beijing and Pyongyang have remained cold during Kim’s rule. In fact, the North Korean supreme leader and Chinese President Xi Jinping have never met as leaders in over five years.





How Likely are Strong US-North Korea Relations to Isolate China?

As China continues walking a diplomatic tightrope with the economic pressure on North Korea, this might be the unprecedented opportunity for the Trump administration to approach the Kim regime with a better deal that would peel the pariah state away from China.

US-North Korea relations could evolve from tense to cooperative in an instant the second the Trump administration offers Pyongyang a package of economic benefits, security assurances and larger legitimacy. In fact, North Korea would likely see it as a better alternative to its current strained relations with China. “We’ve tried to work with China on North Korea for 20 years,” Joshua Eisenman, senior fellow at the American Foreign Policy Council, told the Washington Post. “At some point we have to accept the failure of that policy and adopt a new approach.”


What's interesting is that one of China's worse fear is actually losing North Korea to the US.




China ‘Fears’ Losing North to US

So far, the U.S. has limited its dialogues with North Korea to only the things the U.S. government wants while not discussing what the Kim regime wants. Pyongyang’s imprisonment of three Americans as well as its growing missile program have been on every agenda of US-North talks, without broadening the discussions to appeal to the Asian nation’s interests.

With the ever-increasing economic pressure on Pyongyang, Washington has not developed trust to open the door for productive discussions between the Trump administration and the Kim regime. Stealing North Korea away from China could be beneficial for both Washington and Pyongyang, experts argue.

In fact, China has two “fears” about the Korean peninsula: an armed conflict and losing North Korea to the U.S., according to Eisenman. “At the very least, we should be expanding the list of items on the agenda and not limiting it to the nuclear issue.”


www.valuewalk.com...

I gotta admit after seeing this article, I think this would have been benefited both the US and Fat Boy immensely.

If the US can't stop North Korea from developing its nuclear weapons, then they might as well have it became an ally of the US and have its nukes pointed on China.

I'm pretty sure Kim will be very happy because then he can get to keep his nukes.




posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: starwarsisreal

Sadly, Trump and Kim would be two peas in a pod.

Might be the only productive alliance we'll have for the next three years.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 07:56 PM
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Sure, why not.

We sided with a murder in Stalin during ww2.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: starwarsisreal

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Applause.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: infolurker
Yea, that sounds like pure heaven. At least Israel would be safe, they and the Kingdom are in actuality very close allies despite public appearances.

My main concern is Israeli safety. If Israel is safe then the USA is safe. If Israel falls the USA falls. That is simply the reality of the system we have today, and I would rather not collapse as a state.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 08:59 PM
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This would be a horrible idea. Who would want to align themselves with Kim - who is well known for being brutal, evil and nuts.....had members of his own family murdered.....and many others in a variety of ways and places, even schoolyards.

No way should we align ourselves with someone like that.....who starves his own countrymen while he lives in the lap of luxury. Who demands that everyone around him see him as a "god." Which is absolutely blasphemous.

Nope. If it were up to me I would say now way.......no how.




posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 09:02 PM
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Pretty sure the EQ, AKA, a single kinetic drop wurkt!!!

No more statements, no more threats!

What better way with an invidsible kinetic drop

It doesn't even violate any UN or Space Treaties

Picture that

Or that's what happened

The commander in chief makes the calls

Hooah sir


It's called STFU

with other options
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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: starwarsisreal

Never going to happen. It was too late when US invaded NK during Korean war.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: dianajune

The US has a history of supporting brutal dictatorships including Saudi Arabia, a country that executed homosexuals and doesn't allow women to drive.



a reply to: Black_Fox

I wouldn't be surprised if one reason why Kim would love an alliance with the US is to get new military hardware to replace his obsolete Chinese and Russian made military hardware.
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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 09:48 PM
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Kim has zero credibility or integrity. I would oppose this.

Some major concessions would have to be made by NK to even attempt considering wavering from that stance.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 09:50 PM
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Here is a thread that talks about rumors of the US are planning on stationing troops in North Korea. I wonder if this is related to the articles I linked above.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

So does Saudi Arabia and Latin American Dictatorships such as Chile under Pinochet during the Cold War. They have committed atrocities against their own people yet the US turned a blind eye and supported them.

So a US/NK alliance is just business as usual.
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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 09:54 PM
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a reply to: starwarsisreal

For diplomatic and humanitarian causes, yes, they allied.

This is different. This is a war effort.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 10:00 PM
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a reply to: JinMI


Sadly with Philippines aligning with China, the US believes that only North Korea is a better option. I'm pretty sure in their secret talks, Kim's officials offer to join the US should war break out and because the US are running out of allies, they have no choice.

a reply to: makemap

They can simply still retain their Anti American rhetoric like what Saudi Arabia did by allowing Radical Islamists to preach jihad against Americans and the West in their Kingdom.
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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: starwarsisreal

Should they drop Kim somehow, that would be a step in the right direction. However, wouldn't it be akin to more nation building?

IDK man.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: dianajune
This would be a horrible idea. Who would want to align themselves with Kim - who is well known for being brutal, evil and nuts.....had members of his own family murdered.....and many others in a variety of ways and places, even schoolyards.

No way should we align ourselves with someone like that.....who starves his own countrymen while he lives in the lap of luxury. Who demands that everyone around him see him as a "god." Which is absolutely blasphemous.

Nope. If it were up to me I would say now way.......no how.



due to the president's recent statements it sounds like he enjoys some sour company.

but hey, not all relationships end bad, look at when the cia installed the shah in iran, sorry.
saddam hussein in iraq?
daesh in libya?
fourth time's a charm (i know i missed out many more).



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 10:11 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

As much they hate him though, only Kim seems to be a capable of going against China.

Already, there are calls for South Korea to align with China and the current President of South Korea, Moon Jae In wanted to align with China.

www.ft.com...

A Harvard professor mentioned China has plans to set up a puppet government in Seoul.




So if China were to assume responsibility for removing the Kim regime, denuclearizing the country, and reunifying the peninsula under a government in Seoul friendly to Beijing, would the United States remove all its bases from the South and end its military alliance?”


www.forbes.com...

In the light of these events, its no wonder the US explored the possibility allying with North Korea.

Also, China's plans also threatens Kim's power which may explains why he may consider allying with the US.
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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: starwarsisreal




As much they hate it though, only Kim seems to be a capable of going against China.


Only so far as the they let him. IMO of course.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

This is also probably a message to South Koreans should they ally themselves to China by saying they can simply switch over to the other side should they betray the US.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 10:25 PM
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a reply to: starwarsisreal

Difference being the repercussions and location. I'll step back but my sentiment remains the same.



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