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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: luthier
If your such a history buff you would know he was a master manipulator.
I am a history buff which is why i know there was exactly zero nobility in the civil war.
Because there never is.
war is just an extension of politics that's pursued by other means.
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: PlasticWizard
a reply to: luthier
Yeah cause the other 94 percent just sat there watching slaves do all the work and did nothing to earn an income. It was going to collapse with the tarrifs. Plenty of jobs back then had nothing to do with slaves but they were still being tariffed and It wasn't the South job to pay for the North. This is before income taxes too. The majority of the federal governments money came from tarrifs on the South.
So in your opinion the vast majority of state economy did not come from slave plantations? And yes the populations were very low compared to today...but hey why use facts.
Yes Lee and Davis were not racists. But they knew the economic impact and just wanted to do it slowly. It came down to slave labor not necessarily outright racism that cam later when there were less jobs as blacks worked for less.
originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: Mikehawk
People say you can't judge the whole by the actions of a few.
I hear that all the time.
The 94% of those who lived in the South who didn't own slaves are guilty of what?
It was a tiny percentage of those people with real power who determine what happens, whether or not we go to war, etc.
It was the same back then.
I'm sure the average Iraqi hates us for ruining their country.
I protested in Washington several times along with millions of others.
I can understand their feelings but I won't accept the guilt.
The 1860 census shows that in the states that would soon secede from the Union, an average of more than 32 percent of white families owned slaves. Some states had far more slave owners (46 percent in South Carolina, 49 percent in Mississippi) while some had far less (20 percent in Arkansas).
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: PlasticWizard
I made zero claims about fairness. I simply said that 6 percent controlled the economy and it would collapse without slaves. And it did.
originally posted by: PlasticWizard
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: PlasticWizard
I made zero claims about fairness. I simply said that 6 percent controlled the economy and it would collapse without slaves. And it did.
I don't recall it "collapsing" during the reconstruction period. The economy took a hit but didn't collapse. Small white farmers were thrown into poverty, large plantations not so much. New systems such as sharecropping dominated cotton and tobacco farms and wage labor dominated sugar plantations.
originally posted by: PlasticWizard
a reply to: JoshuaCox
Wars have been fought over tarrifs.. Ever heard of the American Revolution?
originally posted by: PlasticWizard
a reply to: JoshuaCox
Wars have been fought over tarrifs.. Ever heard of the American Revolution?
originally posted by: PlasticWizard
a reply to: amazing
Slaves were just the tip of the iceberg, trouble had been brewing for years.. See how I did that?