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originally posted by: Bwomp83
originally posted by: bknapple32
a reply to: bknapple32
Here's what Ill say. The reasons are debated. There are numerous reasons. But to say slavery was not the cause.. Are you saying it was not THEE cause , or not a cause at all?
Cause imo it certainly played a part. where it lands in the top 3 reasons? I dont know.
The north didnt care about ending slavery, but freeing slaves to also fight there war was leverage against the south and beneficial to the north. But no, niether the north cared about freeing slaves. The reasons for the civil war starting had nothing to do with slavery. Without really going to a library and really learning i know there are those who will fight to the end against this just like they do about democrats being the southern states, or democrats starting the KKK, they refuse to learn the truth. The nazis have a closer relationship to the democrats, pfffft.
originally posted by: Asktheanimals
The past can harm no one, my suggestion is to leave history alone and work together on larger problems such as unemployment, poverty, drug incarceration instead of treatment. illegal immigration, the National debt and finding a meaningful place in society for all as well as a shared vision of what we want to become.
originally posted by: cavtrooper7
THEY hate history like this...BUT
REMEMBER,the south were European sympathizers and wouldn't have HESITATED to incorporate their elitist values as well.
All the WHILE the poor guys caught fighting for their beliefs aren't to blame themselves.
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
originally posted by: Bwomp83
originally posted by: bknapple32
a reply to: bknapple32
Here's what Ill say. The reasons are debated. There are numerous reasons. But to say slavery was not the cause.. Are you saying it was not THEE cause , or not a cause at all?
Cause imo it certainly played a part. where it lands in the top 3 reasons? I dont know.
The north didnt care about ending slavery, but freeing slaves to also fight there war was leverage against the south and beneficial to the north. But no, niether the north cared about freeing slaves. The reasons for the civil war starting had nothing to do with slavery. Without really going to a library and really learning i know there are those who will fight to the end against this just like they do about democrats being the southern states, or democrats starting the KKK, they refuse to learn the truth. The nazis have a closer relationship to the democrats, pfffft.
I mean maybe we had different textbooks since we are probably different ages...
But I remember mine having literally a whole 15 -20 page chapter dedicated to the abolitionist movement
originally posted by: Grimpachi
When Lincon called for the inscription of 75,000 soldiers in order to "invade" the South is what spurred most states to drop out of the Union and join the confederacy. Those like Robert E Lee then resigned from the Union and moved to their states to resist.
Emancipation Proclamation wasn't even a possibility until the Union suffered several defeats and Lincoln used it to turn the already ongoing war into one of morals to regain the offensive.
Our new government is founded upon exactly this idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: Grimpachi
When Lincon called for the inscription of 75,000 soldiers in order to "invade" the South is what spurred most states to drop out of the Union and join the confederacy. Those like Robert E Lee then resigned from the Union and moved to their states to resist.
Emancipation Proclamation wasn't even a possibility until the Union suffered several defeats and Lincoln used it to turn the already ongoing war into one of morals to regain the offensive.
What would happen to the souths economy with the loss of slaves?
originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Asktheanimals
I don't see how anything written there changes the fact that the South seceded and fought over the ability to own slaves. Whether it was for trade agreements (economic) or the notion that Africans should be owned (moral) it was still about slavery.
There's no separating it.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: RazorV66
Maybe it was the cause, maybe it wasn't....it's in the past.
One thing is for certain though...JT Headley will not be writing the book "A History of the 2nd Civil War in the United States 2017-2018"
Published around 2019-2020...it will be a short book because it will be a short war.
A brief synopsis - cover your eyes if you don't want to know the ending.......As the main antagonists, the Leftists lose.
The fact that you not only genuinely believe this but revel in the idea is disgusting.