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Let's discuss the term "White Nationalist."

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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:05 PM
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I honestly don't know who originally coined this term, whether an alt right group called themselves that, or whether the left put a label on patriotic white people. Does anyone know?

In either case, "white" does not belong in front of nationalist, it sends the wrong message.

Let's be clear about nationalism in the U.S. this day and age. It has absolutely nothing to do with race or 1930s nazi bs. It's someone who supports the concept of a nation, and supports certain elements to make that possible, such as borders and infrastructure etc.

In today's political climate, very minor things such as waving a flag or saying the pledge of allegiance has become deplorable to some. A nationalist is someone who loves their country, while there are a growing number of people in America who increasingly hate America and it's traditional values.

I am worried about our nation. Putting "white" in front of nationalism was a bad idea. Right now, this is how the media is spinning conservatives and nationalism is being politicized into a racist connotation.

These are frustrating times. I honestly hope people can figure out a way to get past all this. The biggest problem however, is that one side gets the glory in the media, while the other gets silenced and pushed into a corner and labled all kinds of evil things. This cannot possibly lead to good things. Let's just hope that miracles really do happen. Otherwise I genuinely feel that we in the U.S. are screwed.



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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: Wookiep

I'll just leave this very relevant quote right here.




“Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.”

― Arthur Schopenhauer, Essays and Aphorisms



No one should be proud to be any type of "Nationalist".


EDIT: I like that quote so much...I just had to change my signature

edit on 16-8-2017 by kruphix because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

Thanks for your opinion. I just hope you don't wish to live in a world where only 1 opinion is allowed to exist.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: Wookiep




I honestly don't know who originally coined this term, whether an alt right group called themselves that, or whether the left put a label on patriotic white people. Does anyone know?


It's coined as a perjorative. To insult people.

However there are two major problems with that term.

Since this country was founded by a bunch of 'white' people. The term itself is a misnomer.

In todays use is means race. This country was founded by different ethnic groups from Europe and other countries.

That term that's on our money E. Pluribus Unum which translates to out of many comes one.

Which doesn't work considering the above.

The second problem with that term is old threads on here about 'white on black' violence it's a catch all phrase that include believe it or not.

Arabs, and hispanics.

Now I ask what is a white nationalist ?

They would have to come from a monoculture, and people this country isn't one.

There is no place on earth that is after centuries of procreation.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:15 PM
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a reply to: Wookiep

And just to add....the media didn't coin the term "White Nationalist"....it comes from the groups themselves. The KKK, Neo-Nazi's, Alternative Right, American Vanguard, Stormfront, and all the other racist groups.

If you don't like the term...maybe you should spend more time speaking out against them and those that defend them.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:16 PM
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The word "White Nationalist " is just another buzz word the media has latched onto.

There are bigger problems happening.


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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:22 PM
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That's what they call themselves. If you go on storm front they use it all the time.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: Wookiep

I'll just leave this very relevant quote right here.




“Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.”

― Arthur Schopenhauer, Essays and Aphorisms



No one should be proud to be any type of "Nationalist".


EDIT: I like that quote so much...I just had to change my signature


So you must be against national sovereignty and the Constitution. ie You are a globalist?

Good luck with that!



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: Wookiep

You raise a good point, but these days words do not mean what they mean. It has become nearly impossible to have a discussion; it always turns into an argument because people simply do not agree on the meaning of words anymore. I suspect that this is intentional. Either way, this trend has certainly become an effective way to divide people. I want to say that all racism is bad, but then somebody will come along and tell me that black people cannot be racist. Sigh. A rose by any other name, I suppose.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: Wookiep

I know it's just Wikipedia, but it has a pretty good entry for white nationalism. It doesn't note where the term was coined, per se, but it's good info for a relatively quick rundown of it.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:31 PM
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a reply to: Wookiep

The actual definition of a "White Nationalist" - one of a group of militant whites who espouse white supremacy and advocate enforced racial segregation.

Here's an example of it used in a sentence -

His vision for the community—an enclave where residents fly “racialist” banners, where they are able to import enough … white nationalists to take control of the town government … — John Eligon, New York Times, 30 Aug. 2013

This isn't made up by the media. It's not Trump fake news. It is actually exactly what it is.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:32 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: Wookiep

“Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.”

― Arthur Schopenhauer, Essays and Aphorisms


Interesting quote, but before using it to equate nationalism with evil let's consider what such miserable fools would cling to in it's place. An ideology, theology, tyrant? Are they miserable beyond the point of taking pride in sports or science?

Personally I see nothing wrong with wanting a Nation to fit the current dictionary definition. Tho I will admit I find it a lot more palatable when Republicans do it due to their to each their own attitude.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

Bullcrap. Nationalism has nothing to do with any sort of inferiority complex. It's pretty simple really, I have ancestors who fought and died on American soil both for and against the United States. Generations of my family have paid the taxes that built this country and they were among the Americans who had the set of balls to head westward and expand and defend the country. Inferiority? That's real cute considering I can find just as many folks who would claim American Nationalists suffer from arrogance and hubris, both the polar opposite of inferiority complexes.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:35 PM
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originally posted by: MisterMcKill
a reply to: Wookiep

You raise a good point, but these days words do not mean what they mean. It has become nearly impossible to have a discussion; it always turns into an argument because people simply do not agree on the meaning of words anymore. I suspect that this is intentional. Either way, this trend has certainly become an effective way to divide people. I want to say that all racism is bad, but then somebody will come along and tell me that black people cannot be racist. Sigh. A rose by any other name, I suppose.


It's a mess. Definitions of a lot of things have changed to suit an agenda such as fascism, hate speech, etc. It's definitely intentional. It's not a good time in American history. It really makes me wonder what it will be like in 10 years.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:37 PM
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"Whiteness" is a Spook, there is no such thing as "white" but various European ethnicities etc.

you have to understand that these neo-fascist and neo-nazi groups play identity politics as much as Liberals do, the average "white" person in America will not respond to 'European-Nationalist' because they will think they are talking about Europe and not 'muh america'


all Nationalism, from Right-to-Left, Civic-nationalism to Ethno-nationalism is toxic



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: Stevenjames15

But actual white supremacists, aka NAZIS were german.

And not every german was in the club.

Blonde haired,blue eyed and belonged to The Aryans, and in PERFECT health.

The term is an epic FAIL



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:39 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: Wookiep

I'll just leave this very relevant quote right here.




“Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.”

― Arthur Schopenhauer, Essays and Aphorisms



No one should be proud to be any type of "Nationalist".


EDIT: I like that quote so much...I just had to change my signature


So you must be against national sovereignty and the Constitution. ie You are a globalist?

Good luck with that!


First off, I am a globalist with Socialistic leanings. Secondly, Constitution isn't nationalism. nationalism is the belief that one's country is inherently superior to all others. Patriotism is what you're thinking, methinks.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:42 PM
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a reply to: Wookiep


Let's be clear about nationalism in the U.S. this day and age. It has absolutely nothing to do with race or 1930s nazi bs.

How did you come to this conclusion? It has everything with race. Listen to these people speak they are not too welcoming to people of color.


It's someone who supports the concept of a nation, and supports certain elements to make that possible, such as borders and infrastructure etc.

If you claim to be for that nation then shouldn't you support all concepts and elements not just the stuff you want?


A nationalist is someone who loves their country, while there are a growing number of people in America who increasingly hate America and it's traditional values.

But these nationalist don't support the traditional values of this nation.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

You're going on about this "white" nationalism term. I'm talking about nationalism which has nothing to do with race. "White" doesn't belong in front of it. The racist groups can go kick rocks.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

No, I just don't feel "pride" based on the location of my birth.

The Constitution is great, I didn't write it...where would my "pride" be in it?



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