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Is Trump wrong in equating antifa with white supremacists

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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:31 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: xuenchen




ANTIFA are the new S.S.


They are currently on step 1,5,7,10



Trump working in 8 as well




posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:32 PM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: dfnj2015

Which side, the Nazis or antifa are responsible for a genocide in their history?


point out one person at that rally who had anything to do with genocide and I will chuck a tenner in the crowd fund to hire a lawyer and bring them to justice.


James Alex Fields
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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:32 PM
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Yeah, it is wrong because we are not WHITE SUPREMACIST

it's not that hard of an argument, we are not Fascist because we don't believe in fascist ideology, we are not Nazi's because we don't believe in Nazi ideology, we are not White Supremacist because we don't believe in White Supremacist ideology...



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:39 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: dfnj2015

Which side, the Nazis or antifa are responsible for a genocide in their history?


point out one person at that rally who had anything to do with genocide and I will chuck a tenner in the crowd fund to hire a lawyer and bring them to justice.


James Alex Fields



Ok, Ok, so you can spell genocide but don't know what it means.
Guess that sums up the ignorance nicely.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

He was absolutely right. Bigotry and intolerance is the going rate for both these groups.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

You would say so wouldn't you?
No.
KKK and BLM use THE same tactics therefore whatever the original intent They ARE targeted as enemies.
AKA TRUMP SAID this therefore ALL he is doing is racist and Nazi..(you seem top say)
UNITY of all races in peace or we don't agree,I own gun play as a factional ,trait of skills or they would have FAR more power ,SKIN is not worthy value,OUR COUNTRY is above all activism ,while they are required in a democracy to correct errors ,THEY won't TELL us what to do and when a foreign element can weaponize useful idiots like this ...it can wear my medication thin and I want to engage with pugilism.
SINCE I DON'T do that ,I can take it out DIRECTLY on an activist here with LOGIC ,facts and of course the ONE thing 99% of activists MUST destroy for their narrative ...HISTORY.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: cavtrooper7

The only thing I would say is anti nazi's aren't only antifa.

I didn't really like the on both sides personally because I am anti fascist myself whether commie or nazi's. If alt right views are not republicans views neither should it be assumed because antifa people have the same cause In that moment we share ideas.

There is nothing good about supramicists in my opinion. The other side of that philosophy doesn't not mean far left.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: growler
the entire world knows that he's wrong even saint theresa told him off, the only people defending him are his own alt-right/neo-nazi supporters.


Wrong.......I despise Trump and I think hes dead on.....

If youre using the same violent tactics as your counter part, youre just the same......

Both sides are responsible and the sooner people can swallow that pill, the sooner maybe we can get some damn personal accountability back in the minds of the drones that make up the people of this country......

The sooner people start calling things for what they are, the sooner we can put an end to it....

Keeping up with the back and forth is just a method to keep the division.......


Perhaps its because I dont support Trump, BLM, KKK, or Antifa that I can see that clearly

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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:56 PM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: growler
the entire world knows that he's wrong even saint theresa told him off, the only people defending him are his own alt-right/neo-nazi supporters.


Wrong.......I despise Trump and I think hes dead on.....

If youre using the same violent tactics as your counter part, youre just the same......

Both sides are responsible and the sooner people can swallow that pill, the sooner maybe we can get some damn personal accountability back in the minds of the drones that make up the people of this country......

The sooner people start calling things for what they are, the sooner we can put an end to it....

Keeping up with the back and forth is just a method to keep the division.......



Not really he can condemn white supremacy as an idea on top of whose fault it was.

Anti nazi's aren't just radical left people. I don't think the church groups holding hands getting poked by nazi's were part of the problem.

Trump chose to not a knowledge the other issue present. If you listen to the organizers themselves they want a fight. The anti nazi side was made up of a lot of different people not just radical lefties.

I am.willing to admit however, he is just a terrible public speaker and doesn't know how to present his ideas and the optics being them.
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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 02:05 PM
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the bait/the premis..."Is Trump wrong in equating antifa with white supremacists'

yep, the Antifa are paid thugs more in synch with the likes of ISIS than with the Suprematists who are like the extreme Jihadists in their convictions

every NGO group of the Left are as despicable as the Left thinks the Right extremists are (with neo-Nazi rhetoric)
the BLM/Move-On org/Panthers are from the exact mold of KKK/Skinheads...

I really think Trump was secretly wanting the Lefty SJWs & afilliated groups ...to get their asses handed to them by the equally repugnant radical Nazi/Whites...and for a stalled face-off to ensue with neither side dominating

the Leftists that are coddled even while deeming white cops/ white society as fair game targets have burned & destroyed BILLIONS in City Riots that clown #44 blessed & supported....Trump is just letting the Dogs-Run-Wild until the sheeple Wake-Up as totheir own stupidity in allowing the Left/progressive/cartel of Evil run rampant over their present & forseeable (dismal) future


but NO, the mind screwed leftist zombies still support the lie & the liars of the Democrat Party elites & the PC paradigm...

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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: St Udio

So only antfia are anti fascist?



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: St Udio

So only antfia are anti fascist?



that's your interpretation not mine...

I think I put move-on org & others in that bundle Of miscreants we are being duped into supporting...
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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 02:20 PM
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a reply to: St Udio

Well I am also anti nazi and anti commie so the other side is not only far left.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
I found this interesting article:



Who are the antifa?

President Trump equated them with white supremacists. Here's why he’s wrong.


www.washingtonpost.com...

Despite the troll-like hook sub-title, I really did not read anything delivered in the article strong enough on why Trump is wrong.



But what is antifa? Where did it come from? Militant anti-fascist or “antifa” (pronounced ANtifa) is a radical pan-leftist politics of social revolution applied to fighting the far right. Its adherents are predominantly communists, socialists and anarchists who reject turning to the police or the state to halt the advance of white supremacy. Instead they advocate popular opposition to fascism as we witnessed in Charlottesville.

There are antifa groups around the world, but antifa is not itself an interconnected organization, any more than an ideology like socialism or a tactic like the picket line is a specific group. Antifa are autonomous anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. They expose them to their neighbors and employers, they conduct public education campaigns, they support migrants and refugees and they pressure venues to cancel white power events.


Now consider the definition and history of white supremacy in this country:

en.wikipedia.org...

I'm not sure fighting hate with hate is exactly equivalent. I think many people on the left would agree that using violence as a tactic is not the best approach. This is why we have secular laws in this country. We have laws because people cannot agree on most things. I think most people on the left would argue you have to abide by the law. But many people who are passionate about antifa fight supremacy "by any means necessary":



Years before the alt-right even had a name, antifascists were spending thankless hours scouring seedy message boards and researching clandestine neo-Nazi gatherings. They were tracking those who planted the seeds of the death that we all witnessed in Charlottesville. Agree or disagree with their methods, the antifa, who devote themselves to combating racism, are in no way equivalent to alt-right trolls who joke about gas chambers. Behind the masks, antifa are nurses, teachers, neighbors, and relatives of all races and genders who do not hesitate to put themselves on the line to shut down fascism by any means necessary.


In some ways I can concede maybe the protesters in Charlotte, many who were probably not even aware they were antifa, were using tactics that were in some ways breaking laws. I think the problem in making an equivalency of antifa to white supremacy fails with regards to scope and purpose. I think the white supremacists have a much bigger scope and more sinister purpose than antifa. On a moral scale, I don't think the two are equal. I think President Trump's moral compass might be spinning in circles on this issue.

But I welcome any arguments from the pro-Trump, and dare I say, defenders of white supremacist rights. Or maybe anti-antifa or antantifa people instead of Nazi sympathizers.



Well... they aren't called the same thing. But the underlying driving idea that motivates them BOTH is "supremacy".

2 sides of the same coin.
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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 02:23 PM
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Nope. Trump is 200% correct. ANTIFA = NAZI.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: St Udio

Well I am also anti nazi and anti commie so the other side is not only far left.


But..but..Comrade Luthier....! At last People's Meeting you claimed otherwise! Lenin's Ghost!



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 02:30 PM
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originally posted by: DrunkenMimeMaster

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: St Udio

Well I am also anti nazi and anti commie so the other side is not only far left.


But..but..Comrade Luthier....! At last People's Meeting you claimed otherwise! Lenin's Ghost!


People are so dumb they are saying the other side of the nazi beliefs are radicals.

Yet all at right are not republicans.

Hmm. How about then all anti supramacists are not radical lefties?



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 02:32 PM
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a reply to: 4N0M4LY

Antifa is Nazis, Antifa is a bunch of Commies, Nazi's - kill Commies... where do you get your logic from?

Do you know the Nazi ideology? people who synthesise with Antifa do not believe in Nazi ideology



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: 4N0M4LY

Antifa is Nazis, Antifa is a bunch of Commies, Nazi's - kill Commies... where do you get your logic from?

Do you know the Nazi ideology? people who synthesise with Antifa do not believe in Nazi ideology


Unless they sign the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, then they are all hand shakes and smiles.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 02:42 PM
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a reply to: TheTory

Stalin gets
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