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Is Trump wrong in equating antifa with white supremacists

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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:53 PM
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I found this interesting article:



Who are the antifa?

President Trump equated them with white supremacists. Here's why he’s wrong.


www.washingtonpost.com...

Despite the troll-like hook sub-title, I really did not read anything delivered in the article strong enough on why Trump is wrong.



But what is antifa? Where did it come from? Militant anti-fascist or “antifa” (pronounced ANtifa) is a radical pan-leftist politics of social revolution applied to fighting the far right. Its adherents are predominantly communists, socialists and anarchists who reject turning to the police or the state to halt the advance of white supremacy. Instead they advocate popular opposition to fascism as we witnessed in Charlottesville.

There are antifa groups around the world, but antifa is not itself an interconnected organization, any more than an ideology like socialism or a tactic like the picket line is a specific group. Antifa are autonomous anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. They expose them to their neighbors and employers, they conduct public education campaigns, they support migrants and refugees and they pressure venues to cancel white power events.


Now consider the definition and history of white supremacy in this country:

en.wikipedia.org...

I'm not sure fighting hate with hate is exactly equivalent. I think many people on the left would agree that using violence as a tactic is not the best approach. This is why we have secular laws in this country. We have laws because people cannot agree on most things. I think most people on the left would argue you have to abide by the law. But many people who are passionate about antifa fight supremacy "by any means necessary":



Years before the alt-right even had a name, antifascists were spending thankless hours scouring seedy message boards and researching clandestine neo-Nazi gatherings. They were tracking those who planted the seeds of the death that we all witnessed in Charlottesville. Agree or disagree with their methods, the antifa, who devote themselves to combating racism, are in no way equivalent to alt-right trolls who joke about gas chambers. Behind the masks, antifa are nurses, teachers, neighbors, and relatives of all races and genders who do not hesitate to put themselves on the line to shut down fascism by any means necessary.


In some ways I can concede maybe the protesters in Charlotte, many who were probably not even aware they were antifa, were using tactics that were in some ways breaking laws. I think the problem in making an equivalency of antifa to white supremacy fails with regards to scope and purpose. I think the white supremacists have a much bigger scope and more sinister purpose than antifa. On a moral scale, I don't think the two are equal. I think President Trump's moral compass might be spinning in circles on this issue.

But I welcome any arguments from the pro-Trump, and dare I say, defenders of white supremacist rights. Or maybe anti-antifa or antantifa people instead of Nazi sympathizers.


edit on 16-8-2017 by dfnj2015 because: (no reason given)




posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:56 PM
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Is Trump wrong in equating antifa with white supremacists


Nope.

From what I have watched Antifa is largely made up of self hating WHITE folks that think they are superior to someone else.

So Trump is correct.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Impossible. If Lord Cheetoh said water is wet, he'd still be wrong.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:59 PM
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People are violent, period.

Just because someone wears a cause/label on their backs when they walk out the door, in order to justify violence, doesn't separate them from anyone else.

Both sides have people looking for a fight, and people will gravitate towards any rift and exploit it to their wants.

None of these people want a solution, they want the fight.

These groups are the same, these people are the same.

Smacking labels on idiots doesn't make them any less responsible for their actions.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:59 PM
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There cut from the same hatful cloth. The media is fueling this fire that may get out of control.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: DrunkenMimeMaster
a reply to: neo96

Impossible. If Lord Cheetoh said water is wet, he'd still be wrong.


What do you get with you combine Occupy Wall Street with BLM ?

ANTIFA.

Because it's ALL The same people.

That do think they are superior to someone else.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:02 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Actually, I don't. ( Isupport OWS and BLM, as well a host of other, Connie-triggering groups
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Seriously though, this just seems for diversionary tactics, on both sides.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:03 PM
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the entire world knows that he's wrong even saint theresa told him off, the only people defending him are his own alt-right/neo-nazi supporters.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:07 PM
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So your argument is that the white supremacists movement is older and there for more organized than Antifa? And because of their age difference Antifa stands on a higher moral ground? We should wait until Antifa grows up to see what they become before we pass the equvalancy judgement?

If this is your argument then I do not agree. We as a society ought to stand up to hate and violence in all its forms, not just the ones that last the longest.

In fact I would argue it's time to nip this Antifa in the bud while we can before it blossoms into the next totalitarian juggernaut that has systemic teticals all over the place.
edit on 16-8-2017 by DanDanDat because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:09 PM
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In terms of violence, and level of agression, they are close relatives. In terms of ideology and ultimate goals, apples and oranges.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: WUNK22
There cut from the same hatful cloth. The media is fueling this fire that may get out of control.


I'm not sure I agree with you. One side is hateful against people who in many instances are just law abiding citizens minding their own business. The other side is hateful against people who are hateful. It just seems antifa's scope is very narrow and less immoral.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: DrunkenMimeMaster

Supporting and being a part of those groups are two different things. And even within those groups, there are obviously the extremists (as in any group based in politics)--these extremists are the ones that became ANTIFA.

You can support those groups all that you want to, but that doesn't mean you are a part of them. Many people support the military but have never served.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:20 PM
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ANTIFA are the new S.S.

Yet they blame everybody else !!




posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: neo96



Is Trump wrong in equating antifa with white supremacists


Nope.

From what I have watched Antifa is largely made up of self hating WHITE folks that think they are superior to someone else.

So Trump is correct.


What he is incorrect about is that to be on the other side of supremacy you have to be antifa or blm. The antI supremacist group was not exclusively or even majority blm and antifa.

I hate all fascism. Whether from commies or nazi's. I am anti supramicist. I would protest against fascists coming to my town as well.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:24 PM
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They are both hateful and violent that is all one needs to know.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:25 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Which side, the Nazis or antifa are responsible for a genocide in their history?



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:27 PM
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a reply to: luthier




I would protest against fascists coming to my town as well.


Good for you.

I have better things to do with my time.

Like doing something constructive.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: luthier




I would protest against fascists coming to my town as well.


Good for you.

I have better things to do with my time.

Like doing something constructive.


Well that is subjective now isn't it



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen




ANTIFA are the new S.S.


They are currently on step 1,5,7,10




posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:30 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: dfnj2015

Which side, the Nazis or antifa are responsible for a genocide in their history?


point out one person at that rally who had anything to do with genocide and I will chuck a tenner in the crowd fund to hire a lawyer and bring them to justice.




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