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When exactly were all these Confederate monuments put up???

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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:07 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

While I have no doubt at all that some of the statues were done for racist reasons, the last confederate soldier died in 1959 so the idea of statues being put up 30, 40, 50 years after the war is not that big of a stretch.




posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: neo96

You act like minorities had the power to remove these statues forever.

The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964...that is only 53 years ago. Only in the past couple decades have minorities actually started to gain equal footing in terms of political power in this country.

53 years...and your whole argument is "why is it taking them so long to complain about these statues".

Pathetic.


Why the hell didnt the black POTUS have the removed??????



Do you think the President has that power???


LMAO.. But Trump has the Power to cause all this right? LMFAO>>.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:08 PM
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originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: neo96

You act like minorities had the power to remove these statues forever.

The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964...that is only 53 years ago. Only in the past couple decades have minorities actually started to gain equal footing in terms of political power in this country.

53 years...and your whole argument is "why is it taking them so long to complain about these statues".

Pathetic.


Why the hell didnt the black POTUS have the removed??????



Do you think the President has that power???


LMAO.. But Trump has the Power to cause all this right? LMFAO>>.


Have I mentioned Trump in this thread?



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

I applaud their efforts not the regime ,an intelligence can see the difference AKA Honor their sacrifice as people for a part of our history.
THE LEFT acts like we want to celebrate slavery when WE are speaking of military alone and WE regard THAT BATTLE flag as casual symbol of resistance.
We really don't care what others hurt or are offended by ,it essentially makes NO difference it WAS a war, the yWERE Americans.
The racists/communists, of course dance, around the semantics (OR they won't make it logically and DON'T)
BUILD your own statues to say what YOU want and history will be maintained...DUH .
NO ONE tells the country of individuals to forget OTHER individuals unless they want control using socialist tactics.
The West uses BANKS and troops.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: neo96

You act like minorities had the power to remove these statues forever.

The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964...that is only 53 years ago. Only in the past couple decades have minorities actually started to gain equal footing in terms of political power in this country.

53 years...and your whole argument is "why is it taking them so long to complain about these statues".

Pathetic.


Why the hell didnt the black POTUS have the removed??????



Do you think the President has that power???


LMAO.. But Trump has the Power to cause all this right? LMFAO>>.


Have I mentioned Trump in this thread?


LOL LOL LOL LOL . LIke we all dont know where you are going with this stupid trivial bs



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: avgguy

Well. Let's just get this over with now.

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States


Georgia

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.


Right in the first paragraph. How about Texas? After a short preamble, they also get right to it:


Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time.


Little further on:


based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.


The debasing doctrine of equality? In violation of Divine Law? At war with nature? Clearly, it was about taxes bro. Taxes and state's rights. CLEARLY. Need more? Because there's a LOT more actual words of actual Confederate leaders who beg to differ with your revisionist twaddle.

I'm thinking that maybe these monuments actually do more to erase history than to preserve it because all the statue aficionados are spouting utter twaddle.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Perhaps a rephrase, I am speaking from behind an abnormal,warriors, mind use insults and tactics as comparators it helps...



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:22 PM
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Screw it, let's just keep going with the disabusing of neoconfederate revisionist myths. Texas had more to say:


We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations;


BUT BROOOOOO. What about the taxes bro?

Listen to these SJWs in Virginia talking all this "oppression" this and "oppression" that mumbojumbo. Clearly "cultural Marxists."


The people of Virginia, in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in Convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under the said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States, and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression; and the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States.


It's all becoming clear to me now. To the Confederates (conservatives by definition) — it wasn't the slaves who were the victims — it was the SLAVE OWNERS who were being oppressed! Denied their divinely ordained white privilege!

Is it just me or does this seem to be a repeating pattern among conservatives throughout history? Gay people want to get married? "But but muh 'religious freedom' to discriminate bro!? What about that?!"
edit on 2017-8-16 by theantediluvian because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:24 PM
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a reply to: notsure1

Totally. I mean what use are facts really when you've got the power of emotions to construct a bulls# reality around?



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Thanks for providing the historical facts...amazing that some want to rewrite history.


Seems like none of them want to talk about why the majority of these Confederate monuments were put in place during two periods of time of racial tensions.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: kruphix

Thanks for tracking down that graph. I've been telling people that most of these monuments were erected following Plessy v. Ferguson and at the height of the Civil Rights movement for a while but I haven't been citing a source.




posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

They should replace all statues every 20 years so you can have robo cop statues or a big American Eagle flying over a motorcycle riding GI. Oh and explosions.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: Krakatoa
For the record, I would be just as upset and sickened of tearing down a monument depicting a prominent Black man/woman, Native American, Irish immigrant, Chinese railroad worker, etc... Destruction of history, good or bad, is always bad. It seems people are too unwilling to use them as a teaching tool of the past horrors or great things today (as they were in the past). It is much easier to adopt the "kill it", "destroy it" approach than the more difficult teaching approach.

All I see are the mobs with pitchforks and torches on both sides screaming about and advocating some form of violence to get their way. For me, it is horrific in itself and makes me ashamed.

I weep for our future if we start acting like that which we supposed to decry.


You know-- what goes around, comes around.

In the Iraq invasion thee was a lot of effort put in to staging a "spontaneous" attack to topple Saddam Hussein's statue. That was not a spontaneous act of anger, but a planned CIA PR stunt.

However it sent a powerful signal as to how people should act in these revolutionary events.

No doubt those memories came to the fore with the recent round of statue bashing.
They represent the outworkings of the karma that the US accrued in Iraq, and Libya, and Syria--- and the list goes on.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

MAKE their OWN churches instead of INVADING and demanding like the rest of the faiths AND the Christian faith have done time and time again ,WE don't allow bible rewrites for buggering .
The laws will be the same marriage wise and WE will agree to to disagree.
Not enough?
Life is LIKE that a lot.
WE get over things and TRY to smile and say "HELLO".
MAYBE you should start anther socialist rant to be shot down later in YOUR own thread.
This one is in defence of HISTORY good or bad.
Losers want it changed.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: testingtesting

Also I highly doubt people walk past these old statues and even notice them. Do more statues of modern heroes honour the people alive today.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:51 PM
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Whats funny is the left is so much more racist then the right. They even elect mayors that say I hate white people.

They are so blind they cant even see how racist they are.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:54 PM
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originally posted by: notsure1
Whats funny is the left is so much more racist then the right. They even elect mayors that say I hate white people.

They are so blind they cant even see how racist they are.


Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

So...about these statues that were put in place during times that blacks were fighting for their rights. What do you think the reasoning behind the White people in the South had for putting these up during those times????



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 12:58 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix
To "remember the south" or "honor the confederacy" is to honor racism. When Southerners talk about their "heritage" when honoring the Confederacy...it is simply a round about way of them honoring racism and wanting to return to a time when it was legal and common.

...

So if you want to run around here claiming you just want to preserve "history"...just remember you are wanting to preserve racism.


But that's your perverse perspective and focus, not ours, and that's the disconnect. This new obsession with a war that ended 152 years ago and monuments that were erected in parks and memorials established long before the end of the 19th century.

I take it you're not from the south, so let me explain exactly what it you're getting wrong...


The notion that the average Confederate waged war to preserve slavery is a tenuous one at best. Only 6 percent of Southerners owned slaves, and 3 percent of those owned the majority. Recruits themselves referred to the war as "a rich man's war and a poor man's fight."

"Just as most Northerners did not fight to end slavery, most Southerners did not fight to preserve it," wrote James I. Robertson, Jr. in Tenting Tonight.

"By and large, owning slaves was the privilege of the well-to-do. The rank and file of the Southern armies was composed of farmers and laborers who volunteered to protect home and everything dear from Northern invaders, to keep their traditions and be left alone."


Sherman come to mind? The Union Army by their default position during the war, were the invaders. Women were raped, innocent people were imprisoned and murdered. Homes, towns and cities were burnt to the ground and property and assets confiscated.

Why, because Lincoln wanted to free slaves? Or was he pressured into the war by the central banks because the US was about enact the first Federal Income Tax and southern agriculture was the largest market in the country at the time. To counter the bankers, he introduced the 'greenback' during the war to subvert their control and influence and that's why he was assassinated.

Over a quarter million Confederate soldiers and 50k civilians died during the war and over 200k were imprisoned. The overwhelming majority of whom DID NOT OWN SLAVES. For the most of the soldiers, political facts and reasons behind the war were construed, pandered, exaggerated and falsified to the point of being completely misunderstood, (Vietnam? Iraq? ...Syria?). All that these men knew and were told as prospective recruits was that 'the yanks are comin to down to kill us and take our land.'

And just like the modern african-american decendants of slaves who want to remember the hardships and hell their ancestors went through... so do we.


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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:00 PM
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You can all band together if you put up many statues of Justin berber and then you can tear them all down in harmony knowing you all did good.



posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: testingtesting
You can all band together if you put up many statues of Justin berber...


Is Justin Berber a Moroccan pop star?



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