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Proof of some on the lefts double standard on Trumps condemning both sides comment

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posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 11:17 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Greven

Please back up your assertions that "Dems like Bernie and pelosi and almost all others did not only condemn the left wing from where the shooter was from, they blamed BOTH sides" - that would rather help your argument if you can. I'm interested in evidence and facts, not platitudes and apparently baseless assertions.

Please prove your point.


Did you read the OP?

The quotes are listed.

Let me re post them for you.


"I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign," the Vermont independent said in brief remarks on the Senate floor. "I am sickened by this despicable act. Let me be as clear as I can be — violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society, and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs counter to our most deeply held American values."


www.npr.org...

No mention of left wing violence specifically. He condemns all violence.

Now how does that stack up with what he said about the shooting of Gifford?


Congresswoman Giffords publicly expressed concerns when Sarah Palin, on her website, placed her district in the cross-hairs of a rifle – and identified her by name below the image – as an encouragement to Palin supporters to eliminate her from Congress. […] In light of all of this violence – both actual and threatened – is Arizona a state in which people who are not Republicans are able to participate freely and fully in the democratic process? Have right-wing reactionaries, through threats and acts of violence, intimidated people with different points of view from expressing their political positions


reason.com...

See him blaming Palin, and discussing right wing reactionaries here? Why no comment on left wing reactionaries with the Scalise shooter, instead he just condemns "all violence" and doesn't mentyion the left wing reactionaries?

Now Pelosi.


elosi was asked Thursday about "the possibility that this incident could be used against Democrats or the Democratic Party politically" because some conservatives had suggested "vitriolic rhetoric from the left being in some way to blame."
Here's how she responded:
"I think that the comments made by my Republican colleagues are outrageous, beneath the dignity of the job that they hold, beneath the dignity of the respect that we would like Congress to command. How dare they say such thing? How dare they? Well I won't even go into the whole thing. I can't even begin, probably as we sit here, they're running caricatures of me in Georgia once again, earned over a hundred million dollars of vitriolic things that they say, that resulted in calls to my home constantly, threats in front of my grandchildren. Really, predicated on their comments and their paid ads. So this sick individual does something despicable and it was horrible what he did, hateful. But for them to all of a sudden be sanctimonious as if, they don't, never seen such a thing before. And I don't even want to go into the President of the United States. But in terms of some of the language that he has used."


www.cnn.com...

You see? Shje was outraged at the suggestion that left wing rhetoric could have cause this. Thought is was disgusting to try to use it politically. She calls them sanctimonious, says they have seen things like this before. She then starts to blame Trumps language.

See the hypocrisy?

But she had no problem today blaming Trump for not calling out just one side.




Uh... do you wear rose colored glasses or something?

He mentioned the man was a campaign worker of his, directly condemned the attack itself, and additionally decried violence in general. Recall, your assertion:

"Dems like Bernie and pelosi and almost all others did not only condemn the left wing from where the shooter was from, they blamed BOTH sides"

Where is Bernie talking about both sides? Does he have to yell LEFT WING three times to get the message through to you?

Many Democrats went reaching about the Giffords shooting and the Palin map... still not seeing the hypocrisy.

Pelosi was pretty rambling, after calling for unity with Ryan... of course, that particular questioning was after Republicans started using the shooting for political gains the same day, as I recall:

"I can only hope that the Democrats do tone down the rhetoric," Collins said on a local radio station in upstate New York. "The rhetoric has been outrageous -- the finger-pointing, just the tone and the angst and the anger directed at Donald Trump, his supporters. Really, then, you know, some people react to things like that. They get angry as well. And then you fuel the fires."


"This could be the first political rhetorical terrorist attack," Illinois Republican Rep. Rodney Davis, who was at the practice, told CNN's Brianna Keilar Wednesday morning before Hodgkinson had been publicly identified as the alleged shooter.


Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, appearing on Fox News, called the shootings "part of a pattern" and blamed "an increasing intensity of hostility on the left."

Looks to me like she calls the shooting despicable, horrible, and hateful, as well as decrying the use of it for politics.




posted on Aug, 16 2017 @ 11:48 PM
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a reply to: Greven

I am on mobile.

I will post more tomorrow.

But read all three of trumps comments where he condemned all violence.

How is this different than what Bernie and Pelosi did?



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 12:30 AM
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a reply to: Aazadan

I usually just lurk here to read what people are talking about. I visit almost daily but i never log in. Your comment though.....it pissed me off enough that i had to log in to reply. You are part of the problem. 1984 is the perfect world for you. Yes, white supremacists are douchebags and, for that matter, so is anybody else of any race that claims their race is superior to any other race. You cant just go around censoring the people you dont agree with. Why not engage the person you disagree with in a debate and you might actually change the way they think? You'd rather force them to bottle it up until it explodes into real violence. Ever seen American History X? You should watch it. Its about a skinhead whos forced to work with a black guy in prison. They engage in a discussion about their lives and the skinhead changes his views about life and people. Thats healthy. What you propose when you say you want people to be censored here is the reason people start killing others. I dont agree with them, but you dont have a right to be protected from having your feewings hurt. Man up and face your opponent head on, even if its just a battle of wits. Fight your own battles if you have a problem with something. Dont ask others to do it for you.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 02:29 AM
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a reply to: mescalinity

Where have I refused to debate?

Also, the original ending of American History X, the one the films creator wanted to include, had the kid dropping out of school and becoming a skinhead himself. It was a totally different message from the one the studios forced for a feel good ending.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 02:32 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Houses, which are essentially museums are not statues.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 02:34 AM
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a reply to: diggindirt

Where have I defended the counter protestors? I think they were a bunch of idiots who showed up looking for trouble.

At the end of the day though, they weren't the ones who turned to violence first.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 03:23 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

You sir, are not fit to use that Avatar... I know you've said this to me in the past, and It's not a revenge shot... But do you really think Bill would have supported Trump??

Disgraceful...

PA



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 04:10 AM
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The leftist snowflakes are having the meltdown causing global warming lol. Nothing is falling apart. That's a fake news narrative. Trump needs to block bailouts for the healthcare insurance companies to pass healthcare repeal and replace. He needs to let dems shut gov down to trap them into HIS AGENDAS TAX REFORM. Trump is trolling the media to find the swamp animals. He's always 20 steps ahead. He is smarter than he lets others know. He's studied everything since Reagan said he felt like he shook the Presidents hand when he shook Trumps hand.

Trump knew about Bin Laden before everyone else did. He's no dumbass. I'm not worried about a single thing!

edit on 17-8-2017 by bubbabuddha because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 07:09 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

The 'rioters' that started attacking ATMs and breaking windows weren't even from Berkley. They were outside agitators from off campus. Up until then it was a peaceful demonstration.

As far as Trump hating on hate, he promised North Korea, "fire and FURY". Fury as he used it is just another way of hating.

Fancy that, trump condemning hatred.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 07:11 AM
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a reply to: Grambler


But read all three of trumps comments where he condemned all violence.


Read what I just posted^^^



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 09:04 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Grambler

Houses, which are essentially museums are not statues.


You just keep digging further.


Even though Thomas Paine was once considered a traitor who spurred the American colonies to revolt, his hometown, Thetford, has now devoted itself to celebrating the life and writings of one of the most influential leaders of the American and French Revolutions.

...

A statue of Paine stands in the center of town, and a museum, which is undergoing a refurbishment, will reopen later this year with a short film on Paine's life along with a collection of artifacts.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 09:07 AM
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originally posted by: PerfectAnomoly
a reply to: Grambler

You sir, are not fit to use that Avatar... I know you've said this to me in the past, and It's not a revenge shot... But do you really think Bill would have supported Trump??

Disgraceful...

PA

Please post your criticism here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Anything to say on the topic?

Cause I am sure Bill Hicks would love people who can't argue facts and appeal to would be authority figures in an attempt to shame those thaat disagree with them because they are incapable of making a logical argument.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 09:08 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Grambler

The 'rioters' that started attacking ATMs and breaking windows weren't even from Berkley. They were outside agitators from off campus. Up until then it was a peaceful demonstration.

As far as Trump hating on hate, he promised North Korea, "fire and FURY". Fury as he used it is just another way of hating.

Fancy that, trump condemning hatred.


So whats your point? That it was ok for all of the people I posted that were celebrating or making excuses for them at Berkley to do so because they were from out of town?



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 09:26 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Grambler

The 'rioters' that started attacking ATMs and breaking windows weren't even from Berkley. They were outside agitators from off campus. Up until then it was a peaceful demonstration.

As far as Trump hating on hate, he promised North Korea, "fire and FURY". Fury as he used it is just another way of hating.

Fancy that, trump condemning hatred.


So whats your point? That it was ok for all of the people I posted that were celebrating or making excuses for them at Berkley to do so because they were from out of town?


They were infiltrators, covertly hijacking the demonstration to start 'violence' in order to discredit them.

Just like you are doing.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 09:26 AM
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edit on 17-8-2017 by intrptr because: double post



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 09:28 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Great, one statue, to one person. We have thousands of these statues to a bunch of people. It's time for them to go.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 10:28 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Grambler

Great, one statue, to one person. We have thousands of these statues to a bunch of people. It's time for them to go.

Hahaha! First it was the UK wouldn't have a statue. Now its the wwouldn't have more than one. And if a put a dozen, you would move the goal post again like you have this whole thread.


And someone gave that post a star!

Oh and btw, I noticed you never responded to how you don't believe Trump winning was an upset, despite almost every news outlet and political pundit saying it was one of the biggest ones of all time.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 10:30 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Grambler

The 'rioters' that started attacking ATMs and breaking windows weren't even from Berkley. They were outside agitators from off campus. Up until then it was a peaceful demonstration.

As far as Trump hating on hate, he promised North Korea, "fire and FURY". Fury as he used it is just another way of hating.

Fancy that, trump condemning hatred.


So whats your point? That it was ok for all of the people I posted that were celebrating or making excuses for them at Berkley to do so because they were from out of town?


They were infiltrators, covertly hijacking the demonstration to start 'violence' in order to discredit them.

Just like you are doing.


So let me get this straight.

Roight wing violence at a rally = all of them are violent.

Left wing = infiltrators to discredit a movement.

What incentive again does antifa have to discredit Berkley students?



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 11:14 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Grambler

The 'rioters' that started attacking ATMs and breaking windows weren't even from Berkley. They were outside agitators from off campus. Up until then it was a peaceful demonstration.

As far as Trump hating on hate, he promised North Korea, "fire and FURY". Fury as he used it is just another way of hating.

Fancy that, trump condemning hatred.


So whats your point? That it was ok for all of the people I posted that were celebrating or making excuses for them at Berkley to do so because they were from out of town?


They were infiltrators, covertly hijacking the demonstration to start 'violence' in order to discredit them.

Just like you are doing.


So let me get this straight.

Roight wing violence at a rally = all of them are violent.

Left wing = infiltrators to discredit a movement.

What incentive again does antifa have to discredit Berkley students?


Wasn't the man that drove into the crowd an outsider from Ohio (i.e. infiltrator) like they are claiming happened at Berkley? I'm no genius, but it doesn't seem to be much different to me (unless it is all partisan BS).



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Grambler

The 'rioters' that started attacking ATMs and breaking windows weren't even from Berkley. They were outside agitators from off campus. Up until then it was a peaceful demonstration.

As far as Trump hating on hate, he promised North Korea, "fire and FURY". Fury as he used it is just another way of hating.

Fancy that, trump condemning hatred.

Funny how most americans talk about the fury and wrath of god who they believe is love.



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