Proof of some on the lefts double standard on Trumps condemning both sides comment

a reply to: Grambler

I just said in another thread, you should call people and groups out for specific instances. Any time you ever rationalize something as saying both sides are bad, all you're doing is giving them both a pass. In any interaction one side will be better than the other. Saying they're both equally bad is the same as saying they're equally good.

a reply to: Aazadan

Spoken like a true 6 year old that is upset because their sibling didn't get blamed for breaking that lamp while they were chasing them through the house. While one parent says, "I don't care who did it, you both are to blame for this happening!"

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Pretty hypocritical of them for sure but the reverse is also true.

The left were hypocrites back then (still are) and the right are being hypocrites now about the two similar situations.

Sure there is some of that.

But don't pretend like the hysterics we see now were even close to that level with Bernie Pelosi and the rest when they wanted to blame both sides.

People literally said scalise should be shot, and antifa beating people up at Berkley were good.

Show me the republican politician saying they are happy that heather got ran over.

And also Trump is being accused of being a nazi by many not just on ATS, but many politicians and media.

Show me the equivalent of people saying Pelosi and Bernie and the rest were murderous killers of conservatives, or a sympathizer with them.

originally posted by: Dudemo5
I personally think people are going a bit overboard with the "both sides" criticism, and it would be nice if I could find an article in the MSM that actually gave a realistic, high-level overview of the different groups that showed up at the protest and what their behavior was.

If Antifa showed up at the protest armed for battle and started swinging away, someone should be writing about that.

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It's not much for who started it, but are both sides responsible for violence? Yeah. Problem with that sentiment is that Supremacy isn't a peaceful ideology, the threat of Supremacists gaining any sort of power demands response, demands resistance.
Do both sides get violent? Absolutely, but one side hates people who are black, Jewish, gay... etc, while the other side hates the first side.

In my opinion, is the KKK responsible for receiving a punch in the face? No, but also yes.

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Painterz
So are you saying because some people are hypocritical then it's okay for nazis to murder American citizens and for the president to blame the victim?

How many beers did you have today? I am guessing about 30 too many.
Post a link that shows Trump blamed the victim.

This why the mental impairment of the Leftists is a relentlessly obvious fact.
Grambler has laid out a very eye opening OP that shows the complete disconnect of their minds from reality.
Star & flag 1000Xs Grambler, you have single handedly destroyed them and their hate filled nonsense against Trump and his supporters.

Agreed.

originally posted by: links234
AntiFa is only as violent as the right requires them to be.

It was the nazi's that surrounded those college kids and attacked them with their tiki-torches. It was the nazi's that charged into a group of counter protesters screaming, 'blood and soil.' It was a nazi that rammed his car into a group of people killing Heather Heyer and injuring 19 others.

So when the POTUS comes out and says, 'it was both sides to blame' you should understand the pushback that would receive. Not only did he equivocate counter-protesting with murder over the weekend he didn't even recognize that it was, specifically, nazi's that were there.

The people that ended up defending themselves and others were, to him, just as bad as those people attacking them. That was the wrong response and, pretty much, everyone understands that.

First off I disagree. Antifa and other on the left were active participants in the violence. They came armed; they have a history of getting violent at these things regardless if the opposition is violent.

But lets assume for a moment you are right.

Ok then why is the outrage against Trump so hysterical here, but when just one side, violent leftists shot scalise, and leftists blamed both sides, were they not condemned just as strongly as Trump is?

In fact, in most cases, the most hysterical against Trump for this are the very same people.

originally posted by: Grambler
Show me the equivalent of people saying Pelosi and Bernie and the rest were murderous killers of conservatives, or a sympathizer with them.

People on this site claimed Bernie was a Nazi because he's a socialist and they were national socialists.

a reply to: Krakatoa

In that case, maybe the 6 year old was right. On one side you have a bunch of people who are supporting the KKK and Nazi's. At best they're a bunch of flag waving Confederates celebrating a group of traitors and terrorists.

On the other side is a group of people denouncing the hate. In this specific instance. There's a pretty large gap between those two.

originally posted by: Grambler
Ok then why is the outrage against Trump so hysterical here, but when just one side, violent leftists shot scalise, and leftists blamed both sides, were they not condemned just as strongly as Trump is?

Give me a specific example of someone who called Scalise violent and were met with zero opposition after he was shot.

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: Dudemo5
I personally think people are going a bit overboard with the "both sides" criticism, and it would be nice if I could find an article in the MSM that actually gave a realistic, high-level overview of the different groups that showed up at the protest and what their behavior was.

If Antifa showed up at the protest armed for battle and started swinging away, someone should be writing about that.

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It's not much for who started it, but are both sides responsible for violence? Yeah. Problem with that sentiment is that Supremacy isn't a peaceful ideology, the threat of Supremacists gaining any sort of power demands response, demands resistance.
Do both sides get violent? Absolutely, but one side hates people who are black, Jewish, gay... etc, while the other side hates the first side.

In my opinion, is the KKK responsible for receiving a punch in the face? No, but also yes.

Terrible standard.

Your mistake is assuming that antifa only hates KKK and nazis.

The problem is they label everyone they hate as KKK and nazis, and then proceed to attack them.

You are legitimizing them by claiming they are somehow moral.

Tell me, whcih group was this girl, KKK or nazi?



How about this guy?



All of thiss talk of ATS legitimizing nazis, and yet I see way more people applauding and cheering for the thugs of Antifa to beat people as somehow moral.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Krakatoa

In that case, maybe the 6 year old was right. On one side you have a bunch of people who are supporting the KKK and Nazi's. At best they're a bunch of flag waving Confederates celebrating a group of traitors and terrorists.

On the other side is a group of people denouncing the hate. In this specific instance. There's a pretty large gap between those two.

You mean to say on the other side is a bunch of people who are there to cause havoc and violence by bringing weapons (cement filled plastic bottles, bottles of urine, etc...). In this instance, there is not much of a gap between the actions of the two.

Please do not ignore the violence inherent in the other side simply to justify your own blind position.

a reply to: Grambler

Democrats have been called socialists or communists with allusions to Stalin and the like being made. Stalin and communists killed millions of people just like Hitler and the Nazi's did.

People say Hillary is a murderous killer or at least a sympathizer with them.

Both sides are guilty of the same exact tendencies and antics. It's tit for tat all the time.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Grambler
Show me the equivalent of people saying Pelosi and Bernie and the rest were murderous killers of conservatives, or a sympathizer with them.

People on this site claimed Bernie was a Nazi because he's a socialist and they were national socialists.

I meant someone like I listed in the OP, media people or politicians.

But ok sure.

Why don't you post them and I will see how that compares to how many people have called Trump a nazi for saying both sides are violent.

originally posted by: links234
AntiFa is only as violent as the right requires them to be.

It was the nazi's that surrounded those college kids and attacked them with their tiki-torches. It was the nazi's that charged into a group of counter protesters screaming, 'blood and soil.' It was a nazi that rammed his car into a group of people killing Heather Heyer and injuring 19 others.

So when the POTUS comes out and says, 'it was both sides to blame' you should understand the pushback that would receive. Not only did he equivocate counter-protesting with murder over the weekend he didn't even recognize that it was, specifically, nazi's that were there.

The people that ended up defending themselves and others were, to him, just as bad as those people attacking them. That was the wrong response and, pretty much, everyone understands that.

If what you're saying is true, then I agree blame falls squarely on the nazi thugs. Is there an article out there or maybe some video that shows all this happening as you describe?

originally posted by: Krakatoa
You mean to say on the other side is a bunch of people who are there to cause havoc and violence by bringing weapons (cement filled plastic bottles, bottles of urine, etc...). In this instance, there is not much of a gap between the actions of the two.

Please do not ignore the violence inherent in the other side simply to justify your own blind position.

Who used their weapons first again?

The Second Amendment guarantees the right to be armed, it's totally legal to bring weapons to a protest, many people did. For self protection. One group had to protect themselves from the other group.

originally posted by: links234

originally posted by: Grambler
Ok then why is the outrage against Trump so hysterical here, but when just one side, violent leftists shot scalise, and leftists blamed both sides, were they not condemned just as strongly as Trump is?

Give me a specific example of someone who called Scalise violent and were met with zero opposition after he was shot.

Well clearly you are not understanding the part you quoted me there.

Trump is accused of defending nazis for saying both sides commit violence.

A leftists shot scalise, and people like Bernie, Pelosi, CNN and many others condemned violence from BOTH SIDES.

Now if trump is accused of defending nazis for not just calling the out, why was Pelosi Bernie etc. not accused of defending scalises shooter for refusing to just call out violence from the left.

In fact, as the OP shows, Pelosi found it repugnant that people would dare call her out on not calling out left wing extremism more.

But for Trump, its a different story.

originally posted by: Grambler
I meant someone like I listed in the OP, media people or politicians.

But ok sure.

Why don't you post them and I will see how that compares to how many people have called Trump a nazi for saying both sides are violent.

Sorry, I don't keep bookmarks of peoples posts. Or have any desire to search it.

Here's the thing, you're equating the partisian hacks on both sides as somehow being representative of the middle. Because there's a group that will cheer any time a Republican gets harmed personally, politically, financially, or anything else... you're using that as being indicative of "the left" which is closer to 30% of the population. There's a group of partisians on the right who cheer for the same things, who also represent about 30% of the population.

Any time you're going to make a comparison, you need to discount that 60% on the edges, because they're just cheering a team. Look at how the people in the middle are reacting. The people in the middle here are appalled that Trump is minimizing his condemnation of the KKK. When Scalise was shot, those same people said he was a victim and didn't deserve it.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Krakatoa
You mean to say on the other side is a bunch of people who are there to cause havoc and violence by bringing weapons (cement filled plastic bottles, bottles of urine, etc...). In this instance, there is not much of a gap between the actions of the two.

Please do not ignore the violence inherent in the other side simply to justify your own blind position.

Who used their weapons first again?

The Second Amendment guarantees the right to be armed, it's totally legal to bring weapons to a protest, many people did. For self protection. One group had to protect themselves from the other group.

The 2nd Amendment does not include those items. It is specific to arms. Arms is defined, by the founders of the day to mean firearms.....period.

Do you know who started the violence? I have asked that question numerous times here in numerous threads and I have not had one person tell me that cannot back it up with documented proof. It has been opinion and supposition to date.

Again, its the argument of a child. So, just like dealing with children, you yell at everyone involved. Every person that raised a fist, used a weapon, or in any way used physical force in that altercation is responsible for the horrific outcome.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Krakatoa
You mean to say on the other side is a bunch of people who are there to cause havoc and violence by bringing weapons (cement filled plastic bottles, bottles of urine, etc...). In this instance, there is not much of a gap between the actions of the two.

Please do not ignore the violence inherent in the other side simply to justify your own blind position.

Who used their weapons first again?

The Second Amendment guarantees the right to be armed, it's totally legal to bring weapons to a protest, many people did. For self protection. One group had to protect themselves from the other group.

Hahahaha!

Of course.

All week all we have heard is that the fact that the nazis had weopons proves they wanted violence.

But the antifa people brought weapons merely for defense, they are innocent.

Well how do you know that the nazis didn't bring weapons just for defense. After all, antifa has a hostory of attacking nazis who were not fighting back.

Both sides wanted violence, and both sides are responsible.

originally posted by: Grambler
A leftists shot scalise, and people like Bernie, Pelosi, CNN and many others condemned violence from BOTH SIDES.

Bernie and Pelosi are both rather partisian. Of course they're going to minimize it by using the whole both sides are bad routine. In fact, you can always tell when someone is in the wrong because if they go to that defense it means they're trying to minimize the hate their own ideology produced.