Organizer of Virginia rally, Jason Kessler, said to be Obama supporter and OWSer.

a reply to: JinMI

It hinges on way more than a rumor.

1. Having previously been involved with OWS doesn't mean anything. Are you familiar with Cassandra Fairbanks (@CassandraRules). She went from supposed Bernie supporter who was active in BLM to working at Sputnik and being a top Trumpkin and now to the pro-Trump propaganda outlet, Big League Politics.

Baked Alaska, is also a former BLM supporter from his rapper days when he self-described as a Rand Paul supporting libertarian.

2. Let's assume Kessler was a super agent provocateur — what does that have to do with the people at the rally? It's not hard to confirm that the people who attended were legit Vanguard America, Traditionalist Worker's Party/TYT, NSM, Identity Evropa, etc. So what's the angle here? Kessler got a bunch of Nazi's to come to Charlottesville? They're still who they are and he wasn't on the ground directing their actions.

3. What's any of this got to do with the driver of the car. Is he a Manchurian candidate? Is his mother a crisis actress?

It doesn't matter if Kessler was once involved in OWS or not. A lot of these "alt-media" and social media "stars" are fake af and just trying to promote their brand.

Two other examples:

BUSTED: White grievance warrior Tomi Lahren has a secret liberal past

In the 2014 videos, Lahren (whose signature shout-at-the-camera approach is noticeably absent) can be seen acknowledging the scientific consensus that climate change is real, and advocating for lawmakers to address the “multi-dimensional issue” of gun violence.

“Despite this cold snap, scientists have reached a consensus: climate change is occurring,” Lahren said in one video. “What are we going to do about it is the controversial question we will address here today.”

Dana Loesch claims to have been a liberal until 9/11. She slowly changed her brand, even working for CNN for a while before becoming the froathy mouthed NRA spokeswoman/Trump shill threatening NY Times in bizarre videos.

Oh, and there's Donald Trump, the former Clinton supporting Democrat. And his buddy Mnuchin, the former Soros partner and big Democratic donor. And Kushner, another ex-Democrat whose parents were Chuck Schumer's biggest financial backers.

Clearly, they're all just Soros agents. There is no Alt-Right. Neo-nazis don't exist. Antifa is just people from Craigslist getting paid $15/hr. In fact, we're all living in a simulation, created by Soros.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
As I said in another thread, so what? Even if Kessler is a secret agent Leftist that didn't change the fact that a bunch of Nazis showed up for his protest. It doesn't change the fact that a Nazi committed a terror attack on US citizens leading to one death and 19 injured. It doesn't change the fact that it has awoken a Nazi sympathetic element in our society.

If Kessler is a super secret Leftist agent then that means Trump is as well. I mean he was a Democrat up until recently.

Xcalibur254... it has awoken nothing... except the media looking for some more "dirty laundry" to whip easily influenced Americans into a frenzy.

The "Russia!!!" hack narrative has been increasingly evidenced to have actually been files stolen by someone INSIDE the DNC... many are still trying to refute the evidence with shouts of "that doesn't prove anything."

Hell... look up "National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie". Nothing new about Nazi's... including their ignorant ideologies.

Nazi's in America have been around since Hitler came to power... and then we re-imported thousands of them, many of them war criminals... to work in the aerospace, intelligence and banking industries.

There's a lot of murkiness and conflation going on with left media and elements of the professional political class. "Russia hack" has taken a beating. There's just too much evidence of a fraudulent narrative out there... and Democrats in large numbers have been telling their fellows the "Russia!!!" schtick is a loser narrative.

They need something else... and this is it. If you believe the immigration laws should be enforced... (rule of law... yeah... I know... how HORRIFYING, right?) you are now "Alt Right". It does NOT matter what you actually believe... and the media and the left leaning infowarriors don't GIVE A S**T if you are black yourself, married to a white man or woman... etc...

It is dastardly boolean logic for the sake of controlling a narrative "IF > THEN > ELSE"

Facts are IRRELEVANT. Don't get me wrong... racism is real... and nazi dirtbags are real... but lots of decent folks are getting tangled up in deliberately convoluted narratives being laid as "idea meme traps" and they deliberately or unwittingly end up defending or looking like they defend s**thead racists and xenophobes.

Language is being used as a propaganda weapon in ways we haven't ever seen in the United States. People really need to learn to check emotion and use reason, logic and rhetoric as a precise tool... and not fall into argument traps that misrepresent what they actually believe.

a reply to: theantediluvian

It all sounds pretty illogical when you put it like that. So it's like I said, a douche bag either way.

As far as Lahren, she's still very young. Not unheard of for people to change their political views, especially as they get older.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Your debate skills are impressive, but also transparent. For the record, the only time I check twitter is when there is some breaking national news.

1. I was more concerned with the quoted, "red-pilled," line. OWS didn't convince me of any sort of importance.

2. A pivot. I asked the same in your thread about the friend of the racists you made. Furthermore, you played the same tactic in the thread about the attack itself. This has nothing to due with the poor womans murder, nor the murderer. This topic is specifically about the event and from what looks like the promoter.

3. Same as #2

It doesn't matter if Kessler was once involved in OWS or not. A lot of these "alt-media" and social media "stars" are fake af and just trying to promote their brand.

Completely agree that it could be all this is. Perhaps he is the ultimate D-bag and not only has no cause, but is nothing but a face to throw money at. IDK, all I've claimed is that this is all based on rumor and what the implications could mean if true.

Yes, Trump was a democrat. Unless it pertains to debate points, it's rarely brought up. Heavens forbid it be acknowledged in the political world to you know, actually get something done.

Him 'switching sides' may not be an uncommon action as you have pointed out. The repercussions however, are massive as I have pointed out.

P.S. You forgot Megyn Kelly

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: JinMI

It hinges on way more than a rumor.

1. Having previously been involved with OWS doesn't mean anything. Are you familiar with Cassandra Fairbanks (@CassandraRules). She went from supposed Bernie supporter who was active in BLM to working at Sputnik and being a top Trumpkin and now to the pro-Trump propaganda outlet, Big League Politics.

Baked Alaska, is also a former BLM supporter from his rapper days when he self-described as a Rand Paul supporting libertarian.

2. Let's assume Kessler was a super agent provocateur — what does that have to do with the people at the rally? It's not hard to confirm that the people who attended were legit Vanguard America, Traditionalist Worker's Party/TYT, NSM, Identity Evropa, etc. So what's the angle here? Kessler got a bunch of Nazi's to come to Charlottesville? They're still who they are and he wasn't on the ground directing their actions.

3. What's any of this got to do with the driver of the car. Is he a Manchurian candidate? Is his mother a crisis actress?

It doesn't matter if Kessler was once involved in OWS or not. A lot of these "alt-media" and social media "stars" are fake af and just trying to promote their brand.

Two other examples:

BUSTED: White grievance warrior Tomi Lahren has a secret liberal past

In the 2014 videos, Lahren (whose signature shout-at-the-camera approach is noticeably absent) can be seen acknowledging the scientific consensus that climate change is real, and advocating for lawmakers to address the “multi-dimensional issue” of gun violence.

“Despite this cold snap, scientists have reached a consensus: climate change is occurring,” Lahren said in one video. “What are we going to do about it is the controversial question we will address here today.”

Dana Loesch claims to have been a liberal until 9/11. She slowly changed her brand, even working for CNN for a while before becoming the froathy mouthed NRA spokeswoman/Trump shill threatening NY Times in bizarre videos.

Oh, and there's Donald Trump, the former Clinton supporting Democrat. And his buddy Mnuchin, the former Soros partner and big Democratic donor. And Kushner, another ex-Democrat whose parents were Chuck Schumer's biggest financial backers.

Clearly, they're all just Soros agents. There is no Alt-Right. Neo-nazis don't exist. Antifa is just people from Craigslist getting paid $15/hr. In fact, we're all living in a simulation, created by Soros.

It must be because we are days from an eclipse... but I have to mostly agree with TheAntiDeluvian (

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: TinfoilTP

Controlled opposition, Alinsky tactics 101.

You've clearly never read any Alinksy anything ever. You just say things.

Every bit of the Left's narrative since Trump won has been FAKE so far, expect all of anything that magically appears for their next set of talking points to be every bit as FAKE also.

I'm going to stop reading anything, watching anything, etc. I'll just let you sponge up all the disinfo and then believe the exact opposite of anything you say.

Damn... my whole post got truncated into oblivion... and I have to be somewhere... oh well.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Kessler could have been a right leaning plant in the occupy movement. Supposedly Hillary was a plant when she was a Republican aide in the 1970s..

I suspect both sides do this all the time.

Still waiting for any substantial evidence about Kessler however..

Or a government cointelpro agent? a reply to: gladtobehere

a reply to: clay2 baraka

Kessler admitted to this on the Alex Jones show Monday

a reply to: Meimou

Being a plant or supporter, please elaborate. I am genuinely curious..