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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: 4N0M4LY
You’re basically ignorant.
Nazis murdered millions.
KKK murdered thousands. Lynched black people just because they were black.
You equate that with a bunch of wild left wingers
Who NEVER killed anyone
Your terribly wrong
And need more than medicine since your judgment is impaired
originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Spider879
No it was an Obama false flag op,and doubled down by Soros useful idiots
originally posted by: Grambler
originally posted by: icanteven
originally posted by: dragonridr
originally posted by: icanteven
originally posted by: Iscool
Don't you flakes realize that Trump wasn't referring to the Nazis but regular folks who were there just to protest taking down the statues??? Of course you do...
originally posted by: icanteven
a reply to: xuenchen
Equivocation is back. That didn't take long.
And, he furthers the notion of such a thing as a benevolent Nazi. Some of them are good people, don't you see? The president says so.
A white nationalist philosophy is not compatible with a pluralistic, civilized society. It must be rhetorically attacked, pulling the ideas root and branch from the swamp in which they grow.
I Blame IDENTITY POLITICS We keep seeing groups form separating themselves by race creed it color. We have blacks actually pushing for segregation. You know MLK would spin in his grave. We have people who separate by politics making the other side evil. And you don't think this opens the door for white racists and black racists and Hispanic racists. As far as Nazis please there is far to many communists in this country for fascists to grow.
I'm discussing this topic: white supremacy in America and Trump's radical idea that there are somehow good or benevolent white nationalists. It is happening now, and lives outside of the realm of theory.
Quote me where Trump says that.
TRUMP: Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group.
Q (Inaudible.)
TRUMP: Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did.
You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
Q George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same.
TRUMP: Well know, George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down --
Excuse me, are we going to take down- are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?
Q I do love Thomas Jefferson.
TRUMP: Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?
So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: icanteven
In the same way I must try to understand the people who riot in Ferguson, to understand why they have their rage and try to apply some context to make sense of the world, I have to ask myself why white nationalists have their rage and want to riot.
In so doing, I have to admit that while I find their views repugnant....to summarize them as a person based on those views isn't any more right than summarize a BLM protester who wants to kill white people by their views. They holds these viewpoints for a reason.
Granted, often the reason is pure ignorance. But to cure ignorance you have to illuminate or outlast (depending on how firmly rooted the ignorance is).
There is a true culture war going on in America. And it is making some folks very uneasy, and bringing out the worst in them. While any individual is responsible for their actions....I have to say that the burden is also shared by the hand holding the gun. And in this case, its whoever is running crap like this:
www.snopes.com...
It is impossible to believe on its face...yet is shared ad nauseum by a public who BELIEVES there is a culture war, and that they are under attack. And this public is made out of people on both sides of said war. Understanding that most people, statistically, are morons...i can easily see how not approaching these fake stories critically can lead someone to irrational thoughts and actions. What do we expect when our education system teaches you to memorize and not think?
Nonetheless...I reject your broad brush claim. I know many useful idiots that are otherwise good folks who are saying things they don't actually believe right now due to the fear stoked by media.
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: icanteven
Well than you for thinking I am a smart person. I am sure other disagree, but I digress.
Here is what trump said about good people on both sides.
TRUMP: Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group.
Q (Inaudible.)
TRUMP: Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did.
You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
Q George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same.
TRUMP: Well know, George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down --
Excuse me, are we going to take down- are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?
Q I do love Thomas Jefferson.
TRUMP: Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?
So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group.
abcnews.go.com...
How can people be outraged at what Trump said without looking at the quote?
You just hate Trump; you think he is a racist because of past actions, policies, etc.
And so viewing this through that lens, you see Trump here as defending nazis.
But thats not what he said.
What you are doing would be no different than a person who was CONVINCED Obama was a muslim, and then looked at speeches of his about terrorism and said "See, Obama is a terrorist sympathizer".
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: icanteven
Sometimes you find that you have goals that mirror horrible people's goals. What do you do....change course just because you don't want to be like them?
Im not a "southern boy" at heart, and could care less about the confederacy. I am a fanatic about history, and feel that what we are doing is nothing short of Taliban level revision by a group of fanatics. Should I change my view that the monuments need to remain just because it aligns with the wishes of a bunch of Nazi's?
Maybe I should also not worry about the safety of my family, or being able to eat daily because Nazi's like to do those things too. I better quit hunting and fishing....those are hobbies that im sure Klansmen participate in.
Like I said....broad brush. Just because someone has some interests that align with bad people doesn't mean they get lumped into that group.
originally posted by: icanteven
It takes a mental leap to go from "Nazis and white nationalists are bad" to "they wear pants and other people wear pants so they must all be Nazis". It's not a leap I take.
This is the time to stand for something and put the cards on the table. That the nature of an existential dilemma. It begs for a choice to be made. All too often I see people hiding behind neutral viewpoints because 1) they don't have a POV, 2) they don't want to deal with the fallout of stating a POV, 3) they sympathize with white nationalists and can't bring themselves to say it, and/or 4) they are part of the 6 out of 10 Trump supporters who say there is nothing that he can do that will cause them to withdraw their support.
I'm from the south, too, from the mountains in NC. Growing up, I heard a lot of racist things said by family, friends and clergy. Still do. But what I never heard is anything about the confederacy, until the past few years. Maybe the confederacy is something that people in other Southern states were exposed to more than us hillbillies. It's not part of my heritage, and mercifully, wasn't part of my upbringing.
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