Trump says the 'alt-left' bears some responsibility for violence in Charlottesville

a reply to: xuenchen

Most people already know that Nazis are bad.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

Will David Duke, Richard Spencer and the rest of the Nazis at the Charlottesville Putsch help Trump in 2020?

Or whoever is running on the white-wing ticket?

ssANTIFA is doing all they can.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

Will David Duke, Richard Spencer and the rest of the Nazis at the Charlottesville Putsch help Trump in 2020?

Or whoever is running on the white-wing ticket?

ssANTIFA is doing all they can.

Duke and Spencer are in ANTIFA now?

Wow.

Source plz/

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: windword

Maybe. But they have the right to assemble (they had a permit) and speak freely

And they have no right not to be challenged, criticized and rejected in a public forum.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

Most people already know that Nazis are bad.

Yes that is true.

But many people seem to think the violent people on groups like antifa are good.

Look all over this thread and others of people celebrating them.

All the more reason for Trump to call out violence from all sides.

a reply to: windword

This is about NAZIs marching on a town square, terrorizing its residents with NAZI chants, torches and White Supremacist's demands.

Yes they are.
Know what else is bad? People who distort history to suit their political goal.
The usa had NO interest in ww2 UNTIL pearl harbor. ( PSST it was the Japanese)
You want to make it out like the usa lead the charge to rid the world of hitler; it did not happen that way no matter how many time you post it.
You do know there were MANY actual nazis in the usa prior to ww2?
history.state.gov...

Overall, the Neutrality Acts represented a compromise whereby the United States Government accommodated the isolationist sentiment of the American public, but still retained some ability to interact with the world. In the end, the terms of the Neutrality Acts became irrelevant once the United States joined the Allies in the fight against Nazi Germany and Japan in December 1941.

No matter how loud you scream you do not get to change history.
No pearl harbor no usa in ww2.

ANTIFA and BLM showed up and incited the violence, AS USUAL (just like when Trump was elected and they rioted, looted, mobbed white voters, and committed arson). Here you go:

Violence is their default response when they don't get their way.

originally posted by: Grambler

All the more reason for Trump to call out violence from all sides.

Can someone please point out the times, or one time at least, that anyone has killed a neo-nazi?

We have a a bunch of neo-nazi groups leaving their own home towns and traveling to a place where they do not live, to demonstrate.

Then, we have a woman living in that place, protesting their presence in her city, who gets killed by one of the neo-nazis, who doesn't live there, just because she is protesting their presence in "her neighborhood."

All sides?

What's that?

There are only neo-nazis, and everyone else. The nazis are the only ones with a defintion of who belongs in their group, and who doesn't. You can't "join" the nazis, they are exclusionary. Anyone can "join" the "other group" by simply accepting the diversity of the society they live in.

a reply to: Kromlech

So the group of 200 or so Nazis surrounding and assaulting the group of 30 or so college students on Friday night didn't happen.

What about the statements from clergy and faith leaders stating that the Nazis were the aggressors? Do you take the word of a Nazi over a man of God?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Except Americans who are in control, and NASA - they love(d) the Nazis - still do. America landed on the moon thanks to Nazis, America got the missile tech thanks to Nazis, American politicians and elite bloodlines and operation paperclip verifies that not all Nazis are bad.

You need to come to terms with history, not deny it.

Wernher von Braun

Wernher Magnus Maximilian Freiherr von Braun (March 23, 1912 – June 16, 1977) was a German, later American, aerospace engineer and space architect credited with inventing the V-2 rocket for Nazi Germany and the Saturn V for the United States.

He was the leading figure in the development of rocket technology in Germany and the father of rocket technology and space science in the United States.

Following World War II, he was secretly moved to the United States, along with about 1,600 other scientists, engineers, and technicians, as part of Operation Paperclip, where he developed the rockets that launched the United States' first space satellite Explorer 1, and the Apollo program manned lunar landings.

LOL - that's awkward for you innit?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Kromlech

So the group of 200 or so Nazis surrounding and assaulting the group of 30 or so college students on Friday night didn't happen.

What about the statements from clergy and faith leaders stating that the Nazis were the aggressors? Do you take the word of a Nazi over a man of God?

Was anyone arrested for these assaults? I do not ask that to imply the assaults did not happen.

a reply to: icanteven

I don't care what you choose to believe concerning the president's statements--I've been dealing with too many infantile people lately (some in my own extended family) who can't understand that their ideology shouldn't dictate their belief in other people's statements. To many people, Trump is the anti-Christ devil beast who can never do anything correct. I'm uncertain if you fall in that category, but it would seem that you do.

I'm going to spell it out for you one more time: He didn't say that Nazis are good people, he said that not everyone there held those racist beliefs, and with that in mind, some of the people (those not there intent on racism and violence on both sides) were good people. I don't understand why that is incomprehensible and seen to be an impossibility by many people, but just because you can't wrap your brain around it doesn't mean that it isn't so.

You want to talk about "shuck and jive," take a look back at your initial comment in this thread, which is a complete misinterpretation and misrepresentation of what the president said. But, yes, it is me who is the one twisting words.

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Grambler

All the more reason for Trump to call out violence from all sides.

Can someone please point out the times, or one time at least, that anyone has killed a neo-nazi?

We have a a bunch of neo-nazi groups leaving their own home towns and traveling to a place where they do not live, to demonstrate.

Then, we have a woman living in that place, protesting their presence in her city, who gets killed by one of the neo-nazis, who doesn't live there, just because she is protesting their presence in "her neighborhood."

All sides?

What's that?

There are only neo-nazis, and everyone else. The nazis are the only ones with a defintion of who belongs in their group, and who doesn't. You can't "join" the nazis, they are exclusionary. Anyone can "join" the "other group" by simply accepting the diversity of the society they live in.

Yep, you are right. There were only heroes on the other side.

Just so happens those heroes have also done things like this.

a reply to: shooterbrody


So? Hitler's Fascist arms had to actually reach out and pinch the USA before Americans got off their sofas and tractors, entered the European war theater with might and moral conviction, to end Hitler's NAZI regime and thwart his fascist allies Japan, Mussolini, etc., at great individual and personal sacrifice.

What is your point? Are NAZIs enemies of the American people, or not?

a reply to: xuenchen

Trump says the 'alt-left' bears some responsibility for violence in Charlottesville

Telling it like it is once again.

Of course many people pretend to be outraged, but I doubt anyone *really* believe Trump is not just stating the obvious.

In almost *every* other context you would openly talk about 'enabling', 'goating', or 'baiting' when someone confrontationally or provocatively encourages conflict. We see it on a small scale in sports, we see it on this larger scale, and we see it on a grand scale between countries.

And while saying different publically, everyone knows that there is both a goat and and a goatee and that all responsibility does not automatically fall on the eventual aggressor.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Except Americans who are in control, and NASA - they love(d) the Nazis - still do. America landed on the moon thanks to Nazis, America got the missile tech thanks to Nazis, American politicians and elite bloodlines and operation paperclip verifies that not all Nazis are bad.

That doesn't make NAZIs good or "not that bad" or even decent people. That just makes US government officials corrupt, hypocritical liars.

a reply to: shooterbrody

The cops only showed up after everyone dispersed. Just another shining moment for the CPD.

a reply to: Gryphon66

You always get things backwords.

Donald Trump has lost touch with reality and is a danger to the world.

Democrats in Congress to explore creating an expert panel on Trump’s mental health

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Three congressional Democrats have asked a psychiatrist at Yale School of Medicine to consult with them about forming an expert panel to offer the legislators advice on assessing President Trump’s mental health.

Yale’s Dr. Bandy Lee told STAT that over the last few weeks members of Congress or their staff have asked her to discuss how members might convene psychiatrists, psychologists, and other mental health professionals “to review the president’s mental health, and review it on a periodic basis.”

The invitation comes as 27 representatives, all Democrats, have co-sponsored a bill to establish “a commission on presidential capacity.” The commission would carry out a provision of the 25th Amendment, which gives Congress the authority to establish “a body” with the power to declare a president “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.” Under the bill, H.R. 1987, eight of the 11 members of the commission would be physicians, including four psychiatrists.

America needs the 25th Amendment - Now.

Source

a reply to: Sublimecraft

Denying history? Because I don't agree with your screed about "the left" being 100% responsible for all hate in the world?

Rewriting history, do you mean that after the Allies conquered Nazi Germany they took advantage of the spoils of war?

That means we "loved Nazis"? Loved the ideology? Loved the hatred and the murder and the torture of human beings?

Wow. Well, I guess that makes about as much sense as "the left" being 100% responsible for all hatred in the world.

Jack Parsons developed rocket fuel at CalTech and founded JPL ... was he also a Nazi?