Trump says the 'alt-left' bears some responsibility for violence in Charlottesville

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Dfairlite

Perhaps you can quote Senator Sanders' lamentations about a "dying White race"?

Sanders might have said that about Obama.Care "repeal".

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Perfectenemy

Your just out of out intellectual league If I may say


You deal with the spirit of the analogy not the literal story…


The concept of force and the idea of the good versus evil is what I’m referring to

You have no ideas just emotion

Which side is good?

Antifa?

Explain to me in what context this is good.

Or this.

Seeing as how you are in a superior intellectual league, could you please give me a sweet analogy that explains why a "good" group needs to violently attack innocent people like this?

Everything is relative my friend.

In WWII we fought with the greatest murderer in world history Stalin.

But at the time compared to Hitler he was good.

Good and bad are relative propositions

You see what I mean

So you are comparing antifa to the greatest murderer in history but saying we can't criticize them?

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Dfairlite

Perhaps you can quote Senator Sanders' lamentations about a "dying White race"?

Sanders might have said that about Obama.Care "repeal".

The comparison between Sanders politics and the American Nazi Party platform is ludicrous.

a reply to: Willtell

LOL general Lee opposed slavery. Try reading a history book.

a reply to: Grambler

So questionable groups like you mention (even though I don’t know much about them but will accept for the sake of argument their not saints) in comparison to Nazis and the KKK are good.

Just like we fought with Stalin in WWII because Hitler was much worse.

Btw that's your judgment of these groups. They certainly don’t have the rep of the Nazis or KKK

a reply to: Gryphon66

Why, because it's basically the same?

a reply to: kruphix

Are you arguing that you have the right to abridge another's free speech?

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Perfectenemy

Your just out of out intellectual league If I may say


You deal with the spirit of the analogy not the literal story…


The concept of force and the idea of the good versus evil is what I’m referring to

You have no ideas just emotion

Which side is good?

Antifa?

Explain to me in what context this is good.

Or this.

Seeing as how you are in a superior intellectual league, could you please give me a sweet analogy that explains why a "good" group needs to violently attack innocent people like this?

Everything is relative my friend.

In WWII we fought with the greatest murderer in world history Stalin.

But at the time compared to Hitler he was good.

Good and bad are relative propositions

You see what I mean

So you are comparing antifa to the greatest murderer in history but saying we can't criticize them?

Again you’re taking an analogy as a literal judgment. That’s not the way it works.

You lose the point I’m trying to illustrate.

And that is that good and evil are relative

Here's another analogy to make you guys understand


If you are drowning and your enemy or someone you hate comes to save you and you say "no go away" and drown. Does that make sense.


Without Stalin in WWII we would have lost


Maybe without these people standing up to these nazis more people may have died.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Willtell

LOL general Lee opposed slavery. Try reading a history book.

That's why he owned slaves, eh?

A bit more from General Lee:

In a famous letter to his wife, Lee wrote that "slavery as an institution, is a moral and political evil in any country."

Well, gosh I guess he didn't like slavery huh? Well ....

Viewed in isolation, that seems like a pretty firm condemnation. However, in the same letter, he said that slavery was worse for white people than it was for black people and that it was necessary for black people to endure slavery, for now anyways, so that they might be civilized.

"The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their instruction as a race... How long their subjugation may be necessary is known and ordered by a wise Merciful Providence," Lee wrote.

Slavery is a "painful discipline"? Hmmm.

Lee owned slaves of his own before the Civil War, as late as 1852, and considered buying more even after that, according to Elizabeth Brown Pryor's biography, which is based on Lee's writings and correspondence.

Source

Text of Lee's Letter (1856)

a reply to: Willtell

goodbye, don't let the door hit your intelligence on the way out.

Your ww2 analogy missed the mark because violence is only justified in defence of violence. The allies were using violence to defend against violence.
Antifa use violence to intimidate and stifle free speech against anyone who does not agree with their ideology much like the ideology they claim to appose.
I do find this all very intriguing, the anti fascists have become the fascists and the fascists have become the antifascists.

Here is nice clip of the tolerant anti fascists being fascist towards a far more tolerant fascist.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Grambler

So questionable groups like you mention (even though I don’t know much about them but will accept for the sake of argument their not saints) in comparison to Nazis and the KKK are good.

Just like we fought with Stalin in WWII because Hitler was much worse.

Btw that's your judgment of these groups. They certainly don’t have the rep of the Nazis or KKK

But this is why people are saying your analogy is flawed.

We are talking about the USA. Nazi Germany and the Soviets were rivals with the potential to take the world down.

Neo nazi skin heads and antifa are not even remotely on a blip compared to those groups.

We do not need to side with a lesser of two evils to take down the other.

We are perfectly capable of confronting both evils at once.

The fact that you just want to say "nazis so therefore anyone fighting them is good" is what causes a rise in violence by legitimizing one side.

Neither side is legitimate.

a reply to: Gryphon66

General Lee in 1856 (rendering his prior opinions useless):

There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages.

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Perfectenemy

Your just out of out intellectual league If I may say


You deal with the spirit of the analogy not the literal story…


The concept of force and the idea of the good versus evil is what I’m referring to

You have no ideas just emotion

Which side is good?

Antifa?

Explain to me in what context this is good.

Or this.

Seeing as how you are in a superior intellectual league, could you please give me a sweet analogy that explains why a "good" group needs to violently attack innocent people like this?

Everything is relative my friend.

In WWII we fought with the greatest murderer in world history Stalin.

But at the time compared to Hitler he was good.

Good and bad are relative propositions

You see what I mean

*cough* Hate to break it to you but you just compared Antifa the paragons of virtue to one of the biggest mass murderers in history. I think your synapses are misfiring because that's truly a bad thing.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Gryphon66

General Lee in 1856 (rendering his prior opinions useless):

There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages.

The quotes I cited are from the same letter to his wife.

Read a history book, sheesh.

originally posted by: Grambler

Neither side is legitimate.

Violence used for political purposes is always wrong.

It is not a matter of left and right, liberal and conservative, Republican or Democrat.

Simpler analogy for you guys level of understanding


A young girl is going down the street and some trench coat wearing pervert starts following her. But some real tough biker types—tough guys one would think are criminals—maybe they are BUT inside decent guys. They see what’s happening and come save the girl, whip the pervert’s ass and the girl is saved…

So here the bikers tough guys are analogous to Antifa and the Nazis to the pervert

DONT TAKE IT LITERAL


I'm trying to instruct you guys

Put your egos down and maybe you'll learn something

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: kruphix

Are you arguing that you have the right to abridge another's free speech?

Interesting how you come to that conclusion...not sure how...but interesting.

How exactly would I take away someone's free speech?

originally posted by: Perfectenemy

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Perfectenemy

Your just out of out intellectual league If I may say


You deal with the spirit of the analogy not the literal story…


The concept of force and the idea of the good versus evil is what I’m referring to

You have no ideas just emotion

Which side is good?

Antifa?

Explain to me in what context this is good.

Or this.

Seeing as how you are in a superior intellectual league, could you please give me a sweet analogy that explains why a "good" group needs to violently attack innocent people like this?

Everything is relative my friend.

In WWII we fought with the greatest murderer in world history Stalin.

But at the time compared to Hitler he was good.

Good and bad are relative propositions

You see what I mean

*cough* Hate to break it to you but you just compared Antifa the paragons of virtue to one of the biggest mass murderers in history. I think your synapses are misfiring because that's truly a bad thing.

NO, your just a linear thinker.

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: kruphix

Are you arguing that you have the right to abridge another's free speech?

Interesting how you come to that conclusion...not sure how...but interesting.

How exactly would I take away someone's free speech?

By punching them for saying something you don't like.

I have difficulty listening to any of Trump's speeches. It's frankly embarrassing as a U.S. citizen.