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Charlottesville Driver Innocent?

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posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 03:29 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

I don't think driver is innocent

But neither is the bussed in left group




posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 05:20 AM
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originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: KnoxMSP
Before I posted here many were claiming he was not attacked, I know what I saw, so I say show me the proof to your claim. It is a two way street. You cannot claim to know what happened 60 seconds before the video they are showing.

Show us proof you really saw what you saw and weren't imagining it, because this is what you wrote:

originally posted by: KnoxMSP
I blame the media because yesterday I actually first hand witnessed media manipulation happen for the first time.

Sunday I saw a cellphone video of the grey Challenger surrounded by 8-12 antifa thugs, with sticks/spears surrounding his car, and now it has dissappeared.


We have not seen a video where the vehicle was attacked prior to the imminent collision of it with a group of people and the death of a woman. Show it to us. Prove to us that you saw a video where the vehicle was attacked.

See, here's the thing - people claimed based on no evidence presented that the vehicle was attacked, causing him to speed into the crowd, and thus making him not as guilty as is shown on video. You come here and say the exact same thing - that you saw where his car was attacked.

Then you ask us to prove that he wasn't attacked. We can only say from the evidence that we have seen that his car wasn't attacked. PROVE OTHERWISE. The onus is on you. Honestly I don't care how long you've been on ATS - I only care about facts.


You can't just ignore my first post in this thread. Try to sweep it under the rug, change the burden of proof to me, but there were people on here speculating what happened before the video.

You all look very sad. You cant even respond to my first post. Go back, quote my first post in this thread, then answer the question. If you cant even do that how can we debate what happened?



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 05:29 AM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: xenon129

He wasn't spooked or attacked until he smashed into the crowd of people. He started off from down the street where there was nobody but him.

His car didn't stall or any other horsesh*t. He drove into a crowd of people because he's a sociopath and he should hang for his crimes.
So no one is making a claim they should have to back up here, huh? Weird how that works.

You say, without evidence, all this BS up here, but you are not required to tell us how or why you ascertained this knowledge of the events prior to him coming down the road. A lack of evidence does not make you right. You all started making unbased claims. So back them up.
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posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 07:31 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Edumakated

No, not capable. Why would the mob assume his car contained a Nazi sympathizer? There were two cars ahead of Alex. The two cars in front Alex did not panic by assuming they were going to be mobbed to death.

Good luck with your justifying murder case.


You Bring up an excellent point. The two cars in front of him that were stopped were not vandalized or attacked. The man drove from a sparsely populated street directly into a crowd of people. Good luck trying to justify this murder!
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posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 07:53 AM
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a reply to: xenon129
This video shows that the car windows were not broken before the impact.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: xenon129
This video shows that the car windows were not broken before the impact.




Who is claiming his windows were broken? You are refuting a claim no one made...



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 08:22 AM
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a reply to: KnoxMSP
I mentioned the window because there was debate about the car being attacked as an excuse for the driver's actions.

I feel that the video shows a lot more than that.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 08:51 AM
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Since none of us were there, speculating on the innocence of the driver is irrelevant

Here's what we do know.

The media is twisting this story completely by exaggerating and using inflammatory terms like neo nazi to demonize white nationalists. That's a fact. The protest was peaceful until antifa and blm showed up, that's a fact, the police did little to stop the violence from escalating and even encouraged it, there is already plenty of testimony regarding all of this to back it up along with video evidence.

So basically I'm not going to believe a word out of the media's mouth because they have absolutely zero credibility anyway.

And shame on all of you who are complicit in these events by swallowing the msm narrative without weighing all the facts of the matter without weight of evidence all while standing idly by allowing outside political interests to pick apart and divide your country into civil war, you can deny it all you like, but that's what's happening.

Bottom line did someone die because he hit another car? Yes in that case he's guilty. This story however has a lot more layers and details that the public at large is forming an opinion on. Everyone's making this event about how an evil neo nazi killed a woman at a protest when it's actually not the biggest component of the story. You're all being manipulated by the media in some form or another and most of you think you're awake but nothing could be farther from the truth.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: canuckster
Since none of us were there, speculating on the innocence of the driver is irrelevant

Here's what we do know.

The media is twisting this story completely by exaggerating and using inflammatory terms like neo nazi to demonize white nationalists. That's a fact. The protest was peaceful until antifa and blm showed up, that's a fact, the police did little to stop the violence from escalating and even encouraged it, there is already plenty of testimony regarding all of this to back it up along with video evidence.

So basically I'm not going to believe a word out of the media's mouth because they have absolutely zero credibility anyway.

And shame on all of you who are complicit in these events by swallowing the msm narrative without weighing all the facts of the matter without weight of evidence all while standing idly by allowing outside political interests to pick apart and divide your country into civil war, you can deny it all you like, but that's what's happening.

Bottom line did someone die because he hit another car? Yes in that case he's guilty. This story however has a lot more layers and details that the public at large is forming an opinion on. Everyone's making this event about how an evil neo nazi killed a woman at a protest when it's actually not the biggest component of the story. You're all being manipulated by the media in some form or another and most of you think you're awake but nothing could be farther from the truth.


A star for you my friend. Believe me or not, at least you can look at it objectively.

These other people just swallow whatever #sandwich the MSM feeds them. All I ask people to do is not make assumptions or speculate. Find the facts, and evidence, and if there are no facts, or evidence, admit as much.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: KnoxMSP
I mentioned the window because there was debate about the car being attacked as an excuse for the driver's actions.

I feel that the video shows a lot more than that.



The videos being spread now show nothing.

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This pic shows damage to the rear taillight surround, but I have not shown this one yet, because its not conclusive in any way.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 01:06 PM
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I figured out that the guy in the gray shirt is the one that hit the back bumper i2.cdn.cnn.com... as seen in the behind view www.youtube.com...

It appears to be a circular wooden rod about an inch or more in diameter with a flag on it. He didn't tap the bumper, he swung that thing hard. It made a loud thud and left a mark on the bumper. You can see it left a white mark next to the black scuff. Notice the white mark isn't there in this pic www.trbimg.com...

So he is braking, he gets hit, then the brakes come off. I'm convinced he would have stopped but got scared when the gray shirt guy hit him.

Yeah people were already running out of the way, but I think he was going to stop. He was just running up on them trying to be a dick but he wouldn't have hit anyone if the gray shirt guy didn't hit him. He had the brakes on and swerved to avoid people before he was hit and panicked. That's a fact that he avoided hitting people before the gray # guy hit him.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: KnoxMSP

That crack on the tailgate was there on the video of the police pulling him over three months prior. Either way, his car got hit before impact at least from the gray shirt guy.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Konduit

Well this video shows him from a little farther down the street.



Notice that he's driving down an open street before hitting those people. Nobody seems to be attacking him at all. In fact there are very few people even around at this point.

Then when he reverses back from the direction he started from you can see nobody is even there. Nobody with bats. Just an empty street.

He wasn't being attacked by anyone. He did the attacking. He's a f*cking murderer. He decided to plow his car into a crowd of people because he's a psycho. Even the Fox News guy says according to witnesses it was intentional.


edit on 14-8-2017 by mOjOm because: I forgot to include the video. oops.


Here's another video. This shows that the crash viewed from the front:



The street is mostly empty. He slows down as there are cars in front of him. Then a crowd of protestors form behind his car and hit it with flagpoles. He accelerates away.

A drone camera caught the entire event from above:

extra DIV



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 02:21 PM
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originally posted by: xenon129
a reply to: KnoxMSP

That crack on the tailgate was there on the video of the police pulling him over three months prior. Either way, his car got hit before impact at least from the gray shirt guy.


Yea, thats why I did not bring it up initally. I knew that didnt prove anything unequivically.


I think the first part of what happened will come out eventually. I'm sure investigators have already gathered footage from local cttv, traffic cams, etc.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 02:24 PM
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originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Konduit




edit on 14-8-2017 by mOjOm because: I forgot to include the video. oops.


Here's another video. This shows that the crash viewed from the front:



The street is mostly empty. He slows down as there are cars in front of him. Then a crowd of protestors form behind his car and hit it with flagpoles. He accelerates away.

A drone camera caught the entire event from above:




Same videos everyone has already seen, man. extra DIV



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 03:38 PM
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I mean, with ALL of the video that as there and captured you would think if the streets were filled with the Neo's or KKK there would be a new video. No, because there was nothing but BLM and AntiFa or Left supporters and I think they know releasing them would show a different angle and story.



posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 04:58 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Edumakated
Just looking to have a reasoned discussion. As we saw in the other cases, the supposed perpetrators were found innocent after all the facts were presented in a court of law and the hysteria calmed down. I am wondering if we will see the same thing in this case.


When you are in a car, and you hit someone from behind, it's always the person from behind's fault. I think the same thing may be true with a car hitting a person. If your front bumper hits someone hard enough to kill them you may be in trouble. I'm just trying to have a "reasoned" discussion.



No it's not. Not even in "No Fault" states like Florida. In a no fault state, if you hit the back of someone and there is no witness or evidence that suggests the person in front of you is the one that made the mistake -- what happens is it DEFAULTS to your fault. And this is just for the "accident" ticket, which isn't criminal in the first place, it's civil. If someone brake checks you, and you have it on tape, you're 100% in the clear all day long, and not only does he get the civil infraction, he will also get arrested and charged criminally as well.

If you're threatened with violence and someone stands in your way impeding your ability to leave the threatening situation -- you're not in the wrong when you run them over in any state. You can't just do that.

It's the same as if someone road rages at you, passes you, and is directly in front of you at the traffic light and backs into you. Your front hit his back, but it's not your fault if you have witnesses/video evidence and can prove the guy backed into you on purpose. This actually happened to me and I live in a No Fault state [Florida] so I actually have 1st hand experience with this little thought experiment you're running.

You can't threaten someone with violence and then block them from leaving by standing in the way.
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posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 05:13 PM
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originally posted by: KnoxMSP

originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Konduit




edit on 14-8-2017 by mOjOm because: I forgot to include the video. oops.


Here's another video. This shows that the crash viewed from the front:



The street is mostly empty. He slows down as there are cars in front of him. Then a crowd of protestors form behind his car and hit it with flagpoles. He accelerates away.

A drone camera caught the entire event from above:




Same videos everyone has already seen, man.


So? Those are two different incidents however, two different cars and two different outcomes. So did two cars plow through protesters? Which one killed the girl? extra DIV


mOjOm

posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 06:46 PM
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Ya I've seen those too. I don't know what point you're making here. It shows him crash and then people attacking his car then he backs up injuring more people.

None of these clips are new to me.


carpooler

posted on Aug, 17 2017 @ 10:51 PM
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Little Mo, he bulldozed two cars as far as he could, and only then backed out of that mob, clutches. Any rioter knocked off his roof needs to be charged I M O, with felony manslaughter, at the least. If these thugs were bussed there with weapons, make that felony murder charges. Right now the only local was Ms. Heather Heyer, as far as I know, for sure! reply to: mOjOm



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