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NY Times reporter denounced for tweeting: "The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right".

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posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 11:42 AM
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a reply to: Perfectenemy



There he is holding a Vanguard America shield, wearing the typical dress of Vanguard America at events, next to a Vanguard America flag and flanked on both sides by members of Vanguard America.

Vanguard America has announced that he isn't a member of Vanguard America but I think it's safe to say that if he wasn't, he was clearly doing just about everything he could do to be one.

Vanguard America is in fact a neo-Nazi organization which uses Nazi symbols and ideology. Their website is in fact, bloodandsoil-dot-org. What is "blood and soil?"



Blood and Soil



Blood and Soil (‘Blut und Boden’) was a very important philosophy for Nazi Germany. The issue of ‘blood and soil’ nearly split the Nazi Party after 1925 and was only resolved at the Bamberg Conference of 1926. One side of the Nazi Party wanted to emphasise the relationship between true Aryans and a rural life. Hitler believed that true Germans ‘came from the soil’ – that they had a family background based on farming and life in the countryside. However, men like Gregor and Otto Strasser wanted to move the party away from the belief in ‘Blut und Boden’ and move towards a policy of attracting more support in urban areas. The Strasser brothers were defeated on this issue and Hitler rallied his supporters around ‘Blut und Boden’ while Otto Strasser left to form his own party based outside of Germany. Gregor was murdered on the Night of the Long Knives.

Hitler wanted all Germans to identify themselves with a glorious historic past based on descendants who worked off the land. There was an element of romanticism associated with this belief as it failed to take into account the importance of industry in the rise of Imperial Germany in the late C19th and early C20th. However, Hitler associated industry with socialism, communism and trade unions – even if he was to court the support (and money) of the industrialists in later years.

In 1930 Richard Darré wrote ‘A New Nobility Based on Blood and Soil’. This became a popular read among high ranking Nazis as it associated the ‘master race’ belief alongside ‘blood and soil’. Darré argued that a master race created out of a eugenics programme would lead to a race of people who would be free from illness and full of virtue and good thoughts. The blemishes that he believed blighted German society then would be removed forever once a ‘master race’ had replaced German society as it stood in 1930.


That's Richard Darré in the picture above. In the Nazi hierarchy, he was #7.

Skip to about 1:20 in the video below and you can "high energy" neo-Nazis with torches, chanting "blood and soil" as they descend on the monument to surround the small group of UVA protesters.



How long are you going to hang on to these ridiculous attempts at denial?
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posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 11:47 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Grimpachi

Regardless of what he stood for, either we want to remember history or we want to erase it. If we want to remember it, then let's really remember it - all of it.


Do you actually care about history? If you do then what can you tell us about Robert E Lee?


Did you know about how he supported his wifes illegal school for slaves, his proposals for emancipation for slaves, how he personally wanted slavery to end or his call to free them all before the civil war. Did you know he lived in the North before the war or that once the war was started that and his state along with the others joined the Confederacy he left for the south because he refused to fight against his own state?

Did you even know the emancipation proclamation wasn't even announced or known of until he had already been in and lead several battles? Most people have no idea what lead to the civil war they are completely ignorant that it wasn't started over freeing slave or that the emancipation proclamation was made public after several defeats to the north in order to raise moral and turn the war into one of ethics.

I would love for people to remember history, but I doubt many give a crap.


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posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 12:05 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

I am not against keeping the statue of Lee. Are you against erecting statues depicting the horrible treatment of slaves, or do you not believe that ever happened?



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 12:12 PM
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I thought Lee was a slave-owning, democrat. Most, if not all, Confederates were racist democrats.



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

Republicans used to be conservative and for liberty.

How times have changed.



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

If you want to put one up then go for it, but I think you will find groups like the NWACP against you asking angrily what exactly you are trying to memorialize.



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 12:19 PM
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a reply to: luthier

The KKK was founded and populated by racist, Democrats.



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

Not memoralizing. Remembering that white people did some very bad things to innocent people.



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 12:28 PM
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Fact IS that if it wasn't for the Democrats, the KKK would never have been formed.
Fact IS, if the Democrats had their way and won the Civil War, we'd still slavery.



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 12:29 PM
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a reply to: bender151
Good assessment. Recent history backs you 100%.



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

What denial? I'm just merely waiting for an official confirmation but people immediately jumped the gun and exploited the hell out of the situation. Even if he was a #ing Nazi loser why does it even matter so much. He killed a woman and injured 19 people. Throw the book at him and case closed. You all pretend like it was an coordinated attack over mutiple states but it was one unhinged idiot. That's what is pissing me off. All this bull# about #notallblabla and as soon something like this happens we're back to you're all WS and Nazis because you supported their right for free speech. You can't have it both ways.

They all have blood on there hands but instead of coming to terms and attempt to mend the divide they chimp out. Antifa and BLM were there to lit the fuse again and well of course it worked. The next rally is going to get so much worse now and people will exploit that one as well. Trump did the only sane thing and called out both sides but instead he got flak because he didn't choose a side. They want this bull# to continue and suddenly they act surprised that it escalated. Wow no # Sherlock.

I blame both sides and the MSM equally. They are all responsible for this mess. People need to stop playing there games and refuse to participate. The WS or Alt-Right groups are virtually non-existent. Let them have rallies and if they can't keep it peaceful shut them down and move on and FFS quit letting Antifa and BLM enagage them in direct physical contact. Draw an invisible wall and let them shout at each other all day long. No harm no foul.



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

Fact is, the Republicans and Democrats switched part platforms over time. Fact is, the Democrats were for states rights and the Republicans were for more federal control at the time of the civil war.



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
I thought Lee was a slave-owning, democrat. Most, if not all, Confederates were racist democrats.


Lee was soldier most of his life. He didn't spend considerable time in any state south of Virginia from the day he left Fort Pulaski in 1831 until he went to Texas in 1856. All his reflective years had been passed in the North or in the border states. He had never been among the blacks on a cotton or rice plantation.

His father inlaw owned a plantation that was in mmassive debt and at his death Lee was left as the executor. Lee had to take it over tried to find others to run it and the slaves were already set to be emancipated in no less than 5 years. He wound up having to take two years off from the military in order to settle the estate

At that point he would be considered as a slave holder, not by his hand.



... In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.

— Robert E. Lee, to Mary Anna Lee, December 27, 1856



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posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Anathros

Because no one else will respond, will you tell me what you think about erecting statues all over Southern towns and cities that specifically depict the horrible things that slaves had to go through? Whites whipping the backs of slaves. White people lynching slaves. White people wrenching children out of the arms of their mothers because they were sold to other plantations. Married slaves torn apart by white slavemasters because one was sold to another plantation. Child slaves watching the white children of their masters learning to read and write while they were not allowed to. So we never forget.


I haven't seen statues depicting that and I live in Arkansas. I have seen statues of Robert E Lee but that's a man and it doesn't depict him beating or raping anyone but I know what you're saying and see it from all sides. I just hate seeing history destroyed regardless of the history. I'm a white male so I can't speak for most minorities but at what point will they be satisfied? I've never met a political activist group that didn't take a mile when you give them an inch.

Flip side, a statue of Robert E Lee would be a fine place for African Americans to explain past transgressions to their children and how good men like Dr. King fought for civil rights and how others like Al Sharpton benefit from keeping the divide going.
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posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 01:33 PM
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originally posted by: 4N0M4LY

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: 4N0M4LY

What part of history has been erased? You have every partisan angle and story possible at your fingertips. Nothing is being erased, the water is just being muddied by disinformation and propaganda.


Germany is desperately trying to disavow and erase all traces to the Nazi era. History happened. Everyone is so PC about the civil war - Demonization of the confederates? The removal of confederate statues? - History Happened The name changing of schools and places simply because it has the world "Lynch" in it or a confederate General's name.

No matter how bad or damaging History was. Erasing it or trying to forget it happened is asking for it in the future. People need to get over the fact that we have monuments for a reason. A painful reminder of what NOT to do.



Has anyone even considered the slightest possibility that Mr. Soros' et al is duping us all? Divide and conquer, divide and conquer............. Same narrative time after time.



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 02:01 PM
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How are all these people being labeled as White Nationalists? Because they didn't agree with taking down the statue or changing all the historical names?

Anyway. How dare this guy state a Universal Truth such as that there is always balance to be found. Nothing is ever only one persons fault. A relationship, whether joyful or terrible, can never be all one persons fault. The other person could have left, for example. And when a situation like this breaks out, it's definitely not all one side's fault. But the "party line" is Always above and comes Before Universal Truths.



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 03:02 PM
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I wonder if the NYT reporter was intending to include the racist tweets of Charlottesville's Deputy Mayor Wes Bellamy in his criticism:


Deputy Mayor Wes Bellamy







Charlottesville Deputy Mayor’s Troubling Twitter Feed: “I Hate Seeing White People” and “Beanpole White Women…” (VIDEO)

truepundit.com...



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT
He isn't a racist though....
He is just hating white people, that's okay.



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
I wonder if the NYT reporter was intending to include the racist tweets of Charlottesville's Deputy Mayor Wes Bellamy in his criticism:


Deputy Mayor Wes Bellamy







Charlottesville Deputy Mayor’s Troubling Twitter Feed: “I Hate Seeing White People” and “Beanpole White Women…” (VIDEO)

truepundit.com...


As I said elsewhere, while there are a few true Nazi supporting white supremacists out there, much of this is in response to the perceived anti-white political climate. White, middle America has not only been forgotten by politicians but they've been blamed time and time again for our country's problems while also being told constantly that you can't be racist towards whites.

It's a backlash. Most are just standing up and saying "what about us". Those tweets are yet again, more proof of the current environment, much of it contrived. A hot dog cook in Berkeley is immediately fired from his job for simply attending the rally yet this deputy mayor can be a clear, 100% anti-white racist on social media and it's fine. And that attitude leads to even more of this crap in the future.

Too bad all the fools populating this country can't see they're pawns in a much bigger game. Nazi! Nazi! Nazis everywhere! You chumps are puppets on a string.



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