Battle of LA - Army Fires on UFO in 1942, page 6
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reply posted on 16-3-2005 @ 03:38 PM by WaxPineapple
that is very very funny



reply posted on 13-4-2005 @ 09:26 PM by PeanutButterJellyTime
Apparently, other than the large object in the photo, there were many other objects in the sky at that time:

Anti-aircraft batteries also were firing on other, smaller objects flying in the vicinity. According to one of the witnesses there was a formation of six to nine white and luminous objects flying in triangular formation.


Up to 25 silvery UFOs were also seen by observers on the ground. Editor Peter Jenkins of the Los Angeles Herald Examiner reported, "I could clearly see the V formation of about 25 silvery planes overhead moving slowly across the sky toward Long Beach."


The observation of Long Beach Police Chief J.H. McClelland: "I watched what was described as the second wave of planes from atop the seven-story Long Beach City Hall. I did not see any planes but the younger men with me said they could. An experienced Navy observer with powerful Carl Zeiss binoculars said he counted nine planes in the cone of the searchlight. He said they were silver in color.


A possible coverup?

US Navy Secretary Frank Knox stated that there had been no planes in the sky over Los Angeles and that the anti-aircraft fire was used as a result of a false alarm.


Another witness, who lived near 185th and Vermont, reported to see a plane crash in the vicinity of her house. She could add that debris from the crashed plane was very quickly removed by the soldiers who also cleaned up the whole crash site.


Source

I think the 37th Coastal Artillery Brigade is a good place to start an investigation. I looked around Google and couldn't find a website, but most WWII vets are very proud and hold reunions all the time. If you can find one member of the 37th CA in LA in early 1942, I'm sure he'd be able to point you to others.


It's also interesting to note that the General Marshall who sent a report to the president is the same General Marshall who was the Army Chief of Staff, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, and creator of the "Marshall Plan" that revitalized Europe after the war. He was also Chairman of the Red Cross and won a Nobel Peace Prize in 1953. He's burried in Arlington National Cemetary. Talk about a credible source!!!


reply posted on 14-4-2005 @ 07:19 PM by PeanutButterJellyTime
This pics are from a photo analysis at this site. The analysis was performed by Dr Bruce Maccabee.




This is described as the original image as provided to Dr Maccabee by Frank Warren.

Notice the 'top' of the 'UFO'. It's brighter than the rest of the 'UFO' and appears to be seperated from the rest of the 'craft'. My guess is that it's an exploding AA round like the ones in the background.






These two really show the 'top' of the 'UFO' as being a seperate object. And the disk behind it looks like the area where the searchlights meet.

As far as I'm concerned, that's not a picture of a UFO. It's our minds playing tricks on us after nearly sixty years of flying saucer pictures.


reply posted on 15-4-2005 @ 10:23 AM by PeanutButterJellyTime
No, I'm not saying they were firing at nothing. There were many, many reports that night of groups of aircraft flying overhead. Marshall's report even mentioned aircraft. Maybe there is an aircraft where those beams converge but the film got saturated with all that light from the timed exposure.

from
www.ufo.it...

After the firing started, careful observation was difficult because of drifting smoke from shell bursts; yet it was a clear weather night. The acting commander of the anti-aircraft artillery brigade in the area testified that he had first been convinced that he had seen fifteen planes in the air, but had quickly decided that he was seeing smoke.


It looks like aircraft sightings and blackouts were common after the Perl Harbor attack. Here's another excerpt from the source I quoted above:


On December 8, 1941 at 6:00 PM, the first air-raid warning of the night was sounded when air invaders were first detected 100 miles due west of the Golden Gate. First reparts stated that there were 50 planes but later reports gave a smaller number. They were thought tobe planes from a carriet Some of them were thought to have entered the Bay Area and headed southwest.The next night San Francisco underwent two alarms, the first at 1:45 AM,and then again at 2:02 AM. A Uackout was called for and almost immediately planes were heard in the sky all roundthe Bay Area. Another alert came at4:05 AM. Lt. General John L. DeWitt warned that there was a real attack by enemy planes and that California should be prepared. Wednesday December 10, 1941, allof Southern California and the area from Las Vegas to Boulder Coloradowere blacked out shortly after 8 PM. Anti-aircraft gunners were put on alert. Invading planes were reported in the Los Angeles area and south ofthe city. One of the longest blackouts of the war came on December 12th, at 7:20PM. Invading planes were first detected offshore; the first reports came from San Mateo. Invisible, they could be heard as they roared low over the tall buildings inSan Francisco' business district. Many reports during the blackouts were from people who heard planes overhead and assumed they were either Japanese planes or our own planes inpursuit. We know they were not ourplanes. If they were not Japanese planes, Wednesday December 10,1941, all of Southern California and the area from Las Vegas to Boulder Colorado were blacked outshortly after 8 PM. Anti-aircraft gunners were put on alert. Invading planes were reported in the Los Angeles area and south of the city.


The people of the west coast were paranoid of a Japanese attack, and rightly so. Look at all the nervousness and false alarms in the first few weeks after 9/11. There may even be something to the sightings of a large, slow moving object in the sky that night.

I'm not disputing that this event occured or that there were unknown objects in the sky that night, I just don't think we're seeing a pic of a flying saucer caught in searchlights. I think the picture has a shape that is suggestive of a flying saucer, so that is what our brain immediately interprets the object to be. Like when people see Jesus in a stain on the sidewalk, or Satan in a cloud of smoke. Some of the WTC pictures that show 'helicopters' and 'UFO's' above thw towers are just billows of smoke.

There are some cases that truly defy explanation that I believe are genuine UFO's. But I'm always skeptical at first. The sheer number of reports of flights or waves of aircraft greatly outweighs the number of reports of a slow, low flyer in this incident.



historynet.com...
The article above is an interesting one with more information than what the typical UFO sites give. It talks about how many Japanese-American citizens were arresting during and after the raid for signalling to the aircraft. There were reports of an aircraft plant being bombed but no damage was done to the plant. It also lists many witnesses who saw groups of aircraft in the sky.

I saw a website the other night that I can't find now which was an autobiography of a high ranking army officer who was in the area at the time. From the reading, it sounded like he was placed in charge of coastal defense for the west coast. He mentioned the 37th CA several times in the chapter I read. What was interesting is that he mentions barage baloon teams that were positioned up and down the coast. Maybe the reports of a large, slow moving object were simply a barage baloon?

I can find lots and lots of witness accounts that describe seeing formations of aircraft, and some that mention baloons, but none that mention anything that seems unusual, as in UFO activity.

Some of the sources I've found (like the last link I posted) mention there was a Congressional investigation into the incident because Congress was upset that all this damage had been done on the ground when the Navy official stated that there were no aircraft, it was just a mistake. I'm sure if we dig we can find the findings of the Congressional hearing. That may clarify things.


(edited to fix a missing /quote tag)

[edit on 15-4-2005 by PeanutButterJellyTime]


reply posted on 15-4-2005 @ 10:34 AM by Gazrok

No, I'm not saying they were firing at nothing. There were many, many reports that night of groups of aircraft flying overhead. Marshall's report even mentioned aircraft. Maybe there is an aircraft where those beams converge but the film got saturated with all that light from the timed exposure.


So then we're to believe that the 37th are simply the most inept artillery crew of all time? Firing over 1400 rounds for over an hour and not downing one plane? Which is it? Firing at nothing, or firing at planes? If not something completely unique, has to be one or the other. Marshal's report said "maybe" aircraft, "maybe" enemy planes, etc. It was purposefully ambiguous.

If a balloon is to blame, then I'm curious as to what kind of ballon it is you think that could stand up to numerous AAA rounds bursting around it and still remain airborne...

Even the military can't make up it's mind... (from your own link above)


The only place that 15 planes could have come from was an aircraft carrier. A thorough search of the waters off the coast, however, revealed nothing. When confronted with this technical detail, Stimson asserted that the planes may have been "enemy agents flying commercial planes to demoralize civilians, disclose anti-aircraft positions and the effectiveness of blackouts." This version of events had the added benefit of explaining why no bombs were dropped.

No sooner had Stimson come out with the Army's statement than Navy Secretary Frank Knox, when asked about the raid, contradicted his opposite number. "There were no planes over Los Angeles last night," he said; the whole thing was "a false alarm."


So, a swarm of enemy planes (who go through all of this trouble only to NOT drop any bombs), or imagination...doesn't matter which one you choose, neither fits the circumstances described nor common sense.

This BS idea of the civilian planes to identify AAA sites etc. is an equally ludicrous excursion into fantasy...as it'd be a suicide run. (if true, this would mean that the gunners couldn't shoot down unarmed civilian planes! Ok, sure... ) Kind of pointless to identify AAA sites if you're dead and can't report it.

[edit on 15-4-2005 by Gazrok]
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