Originally posted by Frank Warren

I don't believe the object was lost to radar. Moreover, the I-17 although it was an aircraft carrier submarine for the "Glen" it wasn't carrying any aircraft. Additionally, the "Glen" or for that matter "any plane" of that era (and probably today) couldn't fly as slow as the object, much less hover . . . not to mention the ability to survive a barrage of 3" AA rounds.

The evidence for "intelligence control" is supported by the "flight path" of the object as well as it changes is altitudes; at one point it stopped and reversed directions.

Cheers,
Frank

Maybe I wasn't clear on what I was asking for. What is the evidence of the flight path?

You seem to be overly selective about the eyewitness reports you use in your analysis, accepting those that report a single large object and rejecting those of hundreds of aircraft, of balloons, of no aircraft, of no object. You seem to be relying more on the 60 year old memories of the residents who were impressionable children at the time than the eyewitness reports published in the days after the incident. You seem to reject the report of a WWII fighter ace (a member of the 94th fighter squadron which was put on alert that morning) who witnessed the incident and who says that no interceptors were launched.

Do you have evidence that radar contact was maintained after the target moved onshore? It seems that if that were the case the Army would not conceal it but would have used it to bolster their case that there were unidentified airplanes present, that it wasn't a false alarm. I would also be interested in more information about the I-17 not carrying a seaplane while patrolling the West Coast.

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Phage,

Originally posted by Phage

Originally posted by Frank Warren

I don't believe the object was lost to radar. Moreover, the I-17 although it was an aircraft carrier submarine for the "Glen" it wasn't carrying any aircraft. Additionally, the "Glen" or for that matter "any plane" of that era (and probably today) couldn't fly as slow as the object, much less hover . . . not to mention the ability to survive a barrage of 3" AA rounds.

The evidence for "intelligence control" is supported by the "flight path" of the object as well as it changes is altitudes; at one point it stopped and reversed directions.

Cheers,
Frank

Maybe I wasn't clear on what I was asking for. What is the evidence of the flight path?

Eyewitness accounts, numerous newspaper reports, and declassified documents to name a few . . ..

You seem to be overly selective about the eyewitness reports you use in your analysis, accepting those that report a single large object and rejecting those of hundreds of aircraft, of balloons, of no aircraft, of no object. You seem to be relying more on the 60 year old memories of the residents who were impressionable children at the time than the eyewitness reports published in the days after the incident. You seem to reject the report of a WWII fighter ace (a member of the 94th fighter squadron which was put on alert that morning) who witnessed the incident and who says that no interceptors were launched.

With the exception of the fighter Ace story, if you were to come to a conclusion based on what you think things "seem like," or more specifically your interpretation of "what I or my actions "seem" like, I would venture to say with great enthusiasm, that you would be in error.

Do you have evidence that radar contact was maintained after the target moved onshore?

The short answer would be "yes."

It seems that if that were the case the Army would not conceal it but would have used it to bolster their case that there were unidentified airplanes present, that it wasn't a false alarm.

Understand that the "First War Powers Act" was in play, as well as the "The Office of Censorship"; although the law, and the office were in it's infancy, and no doubt there would be mistakes, publicizing anything about "unidentified planes," i.e., possibly the enemy was only "not prudent," but technically was against the law.

All that said, I would argue that "the motives of the Army, and or any other military faction would "not be clear," particularly through the lens of the media.

I would also be interested in more information about the I-17 not carrying a seaplane while patrolling the West Coast.
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Please understand that I have been researching BOLA for a very long time (along with many other cases), I've done and continue to do my homework; however, one of my motto's is "to do your own research." I have come to live by this dogma, because I have learned that "there is always more." I've learned not to make assumptions based on someone's work, or to accept the status quo (on either side of the UFO debate).

Accordingly, I can state emphatically that there is a great deal of information "out there, "regarding BOLA . . . much more then people realize; one only needs to "get busy" and acquire it . . . or not!

In any event, I think you'd find I-Boat Captain, by Zenji Orita an interesting read.

Cheers,
Frank

Very interesting article, as much as I would like to believe the speculation direction of the news article having the general public believe the military engaged unidentified objects over the state of California during the early hours. I believe, the more substantial answer would be military operations conducted by enemies of the US during wartime. I truly do believe that the military did engage some sort of object over the skies of Santa Monica. But having the object be labeled extraterrestrial is highly unlikely.

It could be argued several different ways but common knowledge and common sense would guide us to different conclusions. Growing up and understanding the unidentified flying object fascination leads me farther from believing in sightings or engagements. The truth of the matter , our enemies, very capable of constructing top-secret aircraft and producing high level operations against America more than likely a responsible for this encounter. The reading of de-classified military operations carried out during the 1940s, gives validity to such possibilities.

The use of experimental craft is nothing new during wartime. I certainly do not put it past the governments of the world during anytime time period to construct crafts that would be considered UFO in nature for reconnaissance or to incite panic against enemies.
On the other hand, let's assume this sighting was extraterrestrial then I would have to ask myself why, if I was the extraterrestrial fly my craft, low enough for anti- aircraft to shoot at me. You would think having the intellectual know-how to construct futuristic craft. I would also be able to detect weapons or danger towards myself.

Originally posted by Meteor_of_War
This is an amazing story and i dont understand why it never got more attention, i believe it should have gotten as much attention as Roswell. Maybe because of when it happened? (at night, during the start of WWII when air attacks from Japan on the west coast of the U.S. were anticipated). It was probably easy enough to explain away to the people of the 1940's.

And damn, if you look close enough you can really make out the object that the spot lights are targetted on as saucer shaped.

Why would the U.S. Military want attention on a craft that they failed to shoot down despite shooting over 1500 rounds of 12 pound AAA shells?

too bad it wasnt publicized much... we could have had alot more belivers

THis thread is dead I know ...

But has not gotten the attention it deserves!

This is one of the biggest cases ever known to man and yet it has been swept under the rug like so many other stories...

Damn shame if you ask me...

I take it you all know that the " saucer shape " is an artifact caused by the converging searchlight beams? I thought I should point that out as I've seen a few posts in thread with people stating that the LA pic is the most clear pic of a UFO ever.....It's a trick of the light and has been proven, even recently on television.

I don't see any reason to not believe these were aliens, because I doubt that Germans had the technology in 1942 to fly in a radioactive type of craft that had a pure force field around it. It may have not been exactly radionactive but I say that because the color of the craft was orange. Foo Fighters haven't even come out yet right? This is a case of it being so long in the past, people just can't get grasp the concept. This large orange craft over a 100 ft. wide came down to earth around San Clemente, and slowy flew up the coast to LA so they were more than ready for it by that time. Does anyone know how the craft departed? It is typical of a UFO to disappear like a light was turned off.