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Bush's Master Plan for the Internet

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posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 02:49 PM
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Can Bush’s boy’s do it? Is it technically viable? I’m hoping some of our computer tech people here on ATS can shed some light on the probability of this being done. Could they do it world wide or just in the U.S.? if it can be done at all.




Bush's Master Plan for the Internet

Bush and his Machiavellian minions will no longer put up with you roaming free into dangerous territory on the Internet.

You need to be corralled, electronically tethered, kept away from sites promoting conspiracy theories -- in other words, information the corporate media, the official US Ministry of Disinformation, does not want you to read or see.
It's now increasingly obvious the Bu#es want to lock us up in a hermetically sealed informational box and throw away the key. All the information they consider worthwhile will be pumped in through a one-way hole.

Dubya wants to essentially authorize a Department of Approved Internet Use within the Ministry of Homeland Security.
This new department will create and demand implementation of new network protocols, take over the task of verifying IT vendors (so much for the conservative idea of getting rid of big government), and issue security assessment and policy tools (maybe Dubya can roll Microsoft into the Ministry of Homeland Security, demand everybody use Windows instead of Mac or Linux because Windows will be "secure" and adapt, at taxpayer expense, the latest government mandated protocols).

Don't worry about the cost -- this idea comes from the guys who think a $200 billion war is nothing to sweat, even if it wrecks the economy. Plus, a lot of the cost will be picked up by the ISPs, which is to say you, the subscriber. Nothing like paying through the nose to have the government turn your computer into a Carnivore box. Link


DragonWare Suite

Carnivore

Omnivore




posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 02:57 PM
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I would hope Bush does not get his little fingers in the internet. I mean, I am sure there is enough governtment activity on the net to keep big brother happy. I suspect if they want to make it tighter, they will whether we like it or not.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 03:05 PM
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ALRIGHT !!

I can't wait for this to come... Thank you Mr. President, you're doing a wonderful job.


"no sarcasm here"... seriously. !!



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by Sauron
Can Bush’s boy’s do it?


Legally "Now" I don't think they can. Could laws be passed under the Department of Homeland Security that would allow this to come very probably. I admit that I haven't read enough of the laws to be knowledgable here though. Maybe someon else could post info on the Laws.


Originally posted by Sauron
Is it technically viable?


Yes! Force ISPs to adopt the mandated laws and incorporate a database driven Safe Site List or Banned Site List like is done voluntarily with Parental Restrictions to protect our children.


Originally posted by Sauron
Could they do it world wide or just in the U.S.? if it can be done at all.

I think it would be impossible to do this WorldWide. But they could force all US Citizens to use US Only ISPs making it illegal to obtain Internet access through any ISP that doesn't conform to their laws.

Phae



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 04:53 PM
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They are currently tighting things down on the internet. Clon Powells son has just granted more access to corprate giants on the NET. Letting them buy up many domain names. Big media like FOX and Turner, want to try and monopolize the Net's news.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by elevatedone
ALRIGHT !!

I can't wait for this to come... Thank you Mr. President, you're doing a wonderful job.


"no sarcasm here"... seriously. !!


Why would anyone possibly be in support of this? Even if you love Bush, why would you trust someone to cut off free access to information? I want one good logical answer why. This isn't the America I grew up knowing....



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 06:40 PM
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For starters if they contract wonderful companies such as Diebold, its going to be a snap to get around any and all systems of control. As for it happening its highly unlikely, since its just as easy to toss up private networks with internal IP schemes, DNS servers, HTTP(web) servers, etc. The hardware is out there along with the software and knowledge to spawn networks that will circumvent all the ISP-level restrictions. Unless they are going to field federal agents wardriving urban areas for wireless networks it would be fairly easy to turn a small neighborhood into a network with content even if it might be significantly less content-laden than the actual Internet.

If people think the internet has a active 'underground' just wait till something like this concept gets put into play. ISPs will loose customers like flies as geeks over the world start tossing up private setups for those who still wish to share information unencumbered by the federal goverment.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 06:45 PM
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I am an Network admin. and this is the most ridiculus thing I have ever heard, they will never be able to lock down and control the internet there are way to many variables and as we all know there is always away to break security on the internet. If microsoft cant protect their software what makes you think the U.S can lock down the internet lets be real.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by ali3n8
I am an Network admin. and this is the most ridiculus thing I have ever heard, they will never be able to lock down and control the internet there are way to many variables and as we all know there is always away to break security on the internet. If microsoft cant protect their software what makes you think the U.S can lock down the internet lets be real.


Hey you guys are the techy's, that's why I'm asking. So you guy's say it can't be done that's good enough for me, but I have read about a few countries controlling the Internet or trying to i.e. China and Tibet.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 07:10 PM
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They can control a public network such as the internet. If I toss up a massive switch, a router and start wiring up computers in my house, then link that to another network in the next house/appartment, they dont know its there and can't do jack about it. About the only way they could really start effectively controling private networks would be to institute some kind of license and tracking program for all new computers and related hardware so large purchases by non-coproate personell could be tracked down and investigated, but I doubt thats going to happen.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by Phaethor
Yes! Force ISPs to adopt the mandated laws and incorporate a database driven Safe Site List or Banned Site List like is done voluntarily with Parental Restrictions to protect our children.


They would just have the "backbone" ISPs do that. It would be to difficult to make sure every local mom & pop ISP do it.



Originally posted by ali3n8
and this is the most ridiculus thing I have ever heard, they will never be able to lock down and control the internet there are way to many variables and as we all know there is always away to break security on the internet. If microsoft cant protect their software what makes you think the U.S can lock down the internet lets be real.


Very true in that they would have such a difficult time because it would become the biggest target around and their will always be a way around it. China seems to be doing a pretty good job though with controlling what their people do and see on the Internet.

But no one can lock down the entire Internet. That is ridiculus.

What search engine does everyone use? Who said Google? Sure they are not censoring information?

Pretty interesting read.
Google's China Filtering Draws Fire


[edit on 8-2-2005 by andpau66]



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 08:04 PM
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I can see it now.... Trying to look up a porn site will direct you instead to a page of hardcore Christian anti-masturbation dogma. Forcing everyone to go back to hardcopy porn. Bush's stocks in paper companys skyrocket!


It's all so clear!



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by Veltro
I can see it now.... Trying to look up a porn site will direct you instead to a page of hardcore Christian anti-masturbation dogma. Forcing everyone to go back to hardcopy porn. Bush's stocks in paper companys skyrocket!


It's all so clear!



Just remember.


[edit on 8-2-2005 by andpau66]

[edit on 8-2-2005 by andpau66]



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 08:57 PM
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Hey broken pic! What was it?



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 09:12 PM
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You need to be corralled, electronically tethered, kept away from sites promoting conspiracy theories --


This won't happen, at least not for a very long time. The word "conspiracy" has become quite close to meaning, connotatively, to "crazy" or "unreliable."

The actual encouragement of specific conspiracy sites is, IMO, benefitial to the powers that be in that all the information gets catogorized outside of your normal run of the mill, day-to-day activities. If your thoughts are segmented like this, conspiracy topics become taboo and aren't generally discussed outside of the specified realm............as a result, nothing will be done about conspiracy.

Also, good to note the importance of having an avenue for venting...........good to get it out of your system so that you can "do your civic duty" and watch T.V., or something of that nature.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 12:52 PM
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www.kids.us...



On December 4, 2002, President George W. Bush signed into law the Dot Kids Implementation and Efficiency Act of 2002. This Act requires that NeuStar, "as the administrator of the .US country code top-level domain (ccTLD), establish a kids.us domain to serve as a haven for material that promotes positive experiences for children and families using the Internet, provides a safe online environment for children, and helps to prevent children from being exposed to harmful material on the Internet." This legislation was the culmination of years of effort by several members of the United States Congress. In anticipation of this legislation, NeuStar began a public outreach campaign to seek input and advice from members of the children's content community, child advocacy groups, parents, educators, law enforcement organizations, and other interested individuals to create an initial draft of Guidelines and Requirements, which were published on the Internet in August 2002. The comments we received were instrumental in finalizing this document.


Is this what 'Bush and his Machiavellian minions' are up to?



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by Sauron




Bush's Master Plan for the Internet

Bush and his Machiavellian minions will no longer put up with you roaming free into dangerous territory on the Internet.

You need to be corralled, electronically tethered, kept away from sites promoting conspiracy theories -- in other words, information the corporate media, the official US Ministry of Disinformation, does not want you to read or see.
It's now increasingly obvious the Bu#es want to lock us up in a hermetically sealed informational box and throw away the key. All the information they consider worthwhile will be pumped in through a one-way hole.



IMO - it's already happening to some degree. ...Maybe the system can't be locked down tight - but people without the time or expertise to bypass controls will be fed engineered pap.

...A second informed 'community' will be isolated from the mainstream - and prevented from having influence.

Mission accomplished.



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posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by soficrow

...A second informed 'community' will be isolated from the mainstream - and prevented from having influence.
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How would this be accomplished?

Also, would this second "informed community," possess a desire to have an influence, much less be prevented?



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 08:55 PM
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Feh. If we're lucky he'll just type in Format C: and wipe his hard drive....



posted on Feb, 10 2005 @ 02:34 AM
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Guy's don't fool yourselves into think that the US government can't get away with locking the internet down. Do you honestly think your ISP is going to argue with armed federal agents when they come into unplug the servers? The real question here is are we going to just sit on our arses and let them?



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