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Charlottesville VA Stuck Hosting (Arguably) Largest Hate Rally In Decades

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posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 11:29 PM
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The level of support for a bunch of supremacists empowered by Trump being in office is fairly amusing. The excuses and spin is amazing.

It has nothing to do with left or right. It has to do with hate and anti-hate. The support is simply because people don't get and are not ok with people screaming hate messages. 1st amendment? Sure. Until you put on hardhats.. pull out bats.. burn torches.. threaten students.. and then mow down protesters who with their own 1st amendment rights, call your hate message out for what it is.

There is no doubt that Trump being President has empowered these people to feel they now have a chance to voice their desire to expel all non-white from the U.S. They may not be Nazi's per se, but I'm surprised so many here support them.




posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 11:33 PM
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a reply to: fleabit

That's not true. Left-wing identity politics empowered the white nationalists. If you demand pride, prestige and power for certain sub-groups and specificities, expect more to do the exact same when they crave the same things.



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 11:34 PM
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There is no doubt that Trump being President has empowered these people to feel they now have a chance to voice their desire to expel all non-white from the U.S.


That's an opinion, probably formed while ingesting the clap-trap coming from CNN or MSNBC. That's like saying blacks were inspired to go batsh*t nuts in Ferguson, Baltimore, and half a dozen other places because Obama was empowering them as a black president.


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posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 11:46 PM
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posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 11:53 PM
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a reply to: dreamingawake

My western culture (New Zealand) is vastly different than various areas of the US and North America, which is different than German, which is different than ....

There is no white race, culture, or power.



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 12:10 AM
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originally posted by: fleabit
They may not be Nazi's per se, but I'm surprised so many here support them.


I've seen very few, if anyone here on ATS supporting them. At most, some posters are criticizing Antifa for their counter-protest measures, or criticizing some left-wing antics, but that is a far cry from supporting neo-Nazis. I'm surprised so many here aren't capable of understanding the distinction.
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posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 12:18 AM
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a reply to: queenofswords

You are right but Obama invited the BLM to the White House as well as the DNC convention. He blamed the police for the shooting in Dallas that killed 5 officers...a few in cold blood.

It is a presidents job to not call out the groups in his own country because you can make them a target on one side and empower the other. Trump called for ALL people on ALL sides to get a grip.

Even before and after Trumps election Obama has talked about the right for protesters to speak their mind.

I am not laying blame but all if takes is someone to percieve what a leader they admire the wrong way and bad things can happen.

It is sad all around and in the case of a POTUS what they say will never be perfect but again...they should not take sides.


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posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 02:05 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope
False equivalences, the roots of those white supramacist groups goes back to
the demise of reconstruction, they saw any move to share any power , political, economic and social as an affront and challenges to whites being a privilege group, in this there is ebb and flow, it's just the right circumstance for them to flag wave and burn a torch or two.

Groups that are fighting for access including LGBT are different from the above because.. Well they are fighting to be included, the above are fighting to be exclusive.
The pride part?? Well it was always been the case where the others were belittled and not regarded as humans.. How frustrating is it to always defend one's humanity.

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posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 02:53 AM
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a reply to: Spider879

It is not a false equivalency. Those who postulate a "community" based on race, sexuality, ideology, where there is no such community, are adopting as their namesake the very same tribalism that sought to marginalize them in the first place. They have adopted the methods and language of their oppressors, only multiplying it. There is no such thing as an LGBT, black, white, Asian, Christian or Muslim community. It is base identity politics and tribalism, nothing besides.



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 03:01 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Basically you are saying that those groups formed due to them reacting to other groups "marginalizing" them. We can blame them for starting such reactionary ideas. We can blame the formation of LGBT group on the far right Christians for example.



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 03:55 AM
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Uh.. This is America. You can have a hate rally if you want. Its freedom of speech. This isnt worth pages of discussion. Sorry. Btw. I saw very few minorities even in the vids of the fighting. Looked like just a bunch of whites fighting each other to me. Paid rioters gone wild. What a waste of energy on all sides.



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 04:45 AM
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Everyone that is there to protest either side seems to want a piece of the action by being there, no one seems to understand the instruction at Proverbs 17:14-16 very well (remember that the "quarrel" is already there and known by almost everyone who shows up for that quarrel before it escalates into physical violence):

Beginning a fight is like opening a floodgate;
Before the quarrel breaks out, take your leave.
15 Anyone who acquits the wicked one and anyone who condemns the righteous one
—Both of them are detestable to Jehovah.
16 What good is it that the stupid one has the means to acquire wisdom
When he has no heart for acquiring it?* [Or “When he is lacking good sense?”]


This pastor also seems to have a hard time with that instruction:



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 05:38 AM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Basically you are saying that those groups formed due to them reacting to other groups "marginalizing" them. We can blame them for starting such reactionary ideas. We can blame the formation of LGBT group on the far right Christians for example.


You could blame groups for starting in protest to others, sure, but you can't condone violence.
Both sides were responsible - I would say more of the blame for violence was on the BLM/Antifa side, and then a lunatic on the side of the original protest decided to mow people down and commit an act of terrorism.



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 07:21 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope
I live in the heart of Redneck country. Most people want to conflate that with the KKK, they would be wrong. Not saying we don't have our share of the KKK, but the majority of the people would be best described as Patriots. That means they love their country and are willing to fight for the rights of all. Even the ones they don't agree with or don't like.

Communities are made up of people that have different backgrounds, desires, and beliefs. A community united is tough to beat. That is why they are diluting our communities into tiny groups, and turning those groups on each other. A brilliant way to get us to their dirty work for them.

Now if we were just smart enough to see what we are doing.



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 07:27 AM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: fleabit




There is no doubt that Trump being President has empowered these people to feel they now have a chance to voice their desire to expel all non-white from the U.S.


That's an opinion, probably formed while ingesting the clap-trap coming from CNN or MSNBC. That's like saying blacks were inspired to go batsh*t nuts in Ferguson, Baltimore, and half a dozen other places because Obama was empowering them as a black president.


Actually they readily admit it. Richard Spencer has admitted it several times. Hell he was giddy with excitement over the weekend when Trump didn't directly condemn them for the car attack.
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posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 08:24 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Basically you are saying that those groups formed due to them reacting to other groups "marginalizing" them. We can blame them for starting such reactionary ideas. We can blame the formation of LGBT group on the far right Christians for example.


You could blame groups for starting in protest to others, sure, but you can't condone violence.
Both sides were responsible - I would say more of the blame for violence was on the BLM/Antifa side, and then a lunatic on the side of the original protest decided to mow people down and commit an act of terrorism.


Why would you say the left is more responsible in Charlottesville. Other than the mayor and gov anyway.

There is no record of such a thing. Have you read the reports from the church groups who were mace and beaten, or some of the locals?

The white supremacy goals are in fact to create violence. There may have been some regular folks just protesting the statue but it was perverted by white nationalists who want to bring down the constitution and hide behind it.

Their goal is to make triggered kids pop and I bet they find some correspondence saying such



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: whereislogic

at least she is a resident of the city along with the other clergy that organized their own little event..
only, they were attacked by the supremacists if you believe the video you just posted.
you know just as well as I do that often the community clergy will come together, make statements encouraging peace or hold prayer vigils, ect when this kind of crap hits.
so.. I guess what you are saying is that the right to freedom of religion for the supremacists should trump the community's right to practice their religious beliefs??



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 08:45 AM
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Trump attacks Merck CEO for stepping down from manufacturing council in protest


Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier resigned Monday from the president's American Manufacturing Council in protest of President Donald Trump's response to white supremacist violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, and Trump immediately blasted the drug executive on Twitter.

"As CEO of Merck and as a matter of personal conscience, I feel a responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism," Frazier wrote in a tweet.

Merck declined to comment further.

Shortly after Frazier announced his resignation, Trump responded by saying that now that the CEO had resigned from the council, he will have more time to "LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!"




No Mr. Trump, "many sides" is a false equivalence.

If you aren't resisting, you are part of the problem.

Hate much? Bully much?

Source


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posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 08:50 AM
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a reply to: DancedWithWolves

Interesting... So Trump didn't deny that his response lacked a direct condemnation of white supremacist groups...



posted on Aug, 14 2017 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Apparently, he prefers the offensive.

It's important to note that Trump condemned Frazier within an hour. White supremacists? Tick Tock, Tick Tock. Nope.

Charlottesville is his moral moment to condemn radical domestic terrorism.

He failed.
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