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Charlottesville VA Stuck Hosting (Arguably) Largest Hate Rally In Decades

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posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:29 PM
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The media, as usual, is making a bad situation worse by lumping in nationalists with white supremacists. Nationalists can be any race, white supremacists are a whole other animal. The media is using "white nationalists" and "white supremacists" interchangeably, mostly out of ignorance I think. I don't think most of them are informed enough to be talking about this.




posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:31 PM
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a reply to: face23785

What is ultra nationalism?



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:31 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Kali74

No some here do deny Islamic terrorism and try and defend it all the time.


Some here argue against blanket labeling all Muslims because of what Islamic terrorists do.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:32 PM
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a reply to: luthier

What's national socialism? Sounds like the same thing as socialism if you're uninformed, but isn't. Nice try though.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:32 PM
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originally posted by: face23785
The media, as usual, is making a bad situation worse by lumping in nationalists with white supremacists. Nationalists can be any race, white supremacists are a whole other animal. The media is using "white nationalists" and "white supremacists" interchangeably, mostly out of ignorance I think. I don't think most of them are informed enough to be talking about this.


Oh my word. White nationalism is the nationalist belief of perpetuating a white identity and white nationhood. That is white supremacy.

If you are a white nationalist and don't understand that your views match white supremacists, that's not the media's problem.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:32 PM
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a reply to: Kali74

Uh huh.

Like what protecting the ideas of whahabis?



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:33 PM
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a reply to: face23785

So ultra nationalism is what?

Eta socialist nationalism is what?


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posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:34 PM
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originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: face23785
The media, as usual, is making a bad situation worse by lumping in nationalists with white supremacists. Nationalists can be any race, white supremacists are a whole other animal. The media is using "white nationalists" and "white supremacists" interchangeably, mostly out of ignorance I think. I don't think most of them are informed enough to be talking about this.


Oh my word. White nationalism is the nationalist belief of perpetuating a white identity and white nationhood. That is white supremacy.

If you are a white nationalist and don't understand that your views match white supremacists, that's not the media's problem.


White nationalists are nationalists who happen to be white. Nationalism isn't a racial ideology. Wherever you read the nonsense you just posted, I encourage you to get your info somewhere else.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:35 PM
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Came back on to just say.


ATS has gone through a lot of events. None more polarizing than sandy hook.


I love all you guys. No matter what your views. I hope every single one of you has a family member to say I love you to.

Sleep well. Have a beer. And spend time with family. We will overcome whatever the heck this is.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: face23785
The media, as usual, is making a bad situation worse by lumping in nationalists with white supremacists. Nationalists can be any race, white supremacists are a whole other animal. The media is using "white nationalists" and "white supremacists" interchangeably, mostly out of ignorance I think. I don't think most of them are informed enough to be talking about this.


Oh my word. White nationalism is the nationalist belief of perpetuating a white identity and white nationhood. That is white supremacy.

If you are a white nationalist and don't understand that your views match white supremacists, that's not the media's problem.


White nationalists are nationalists who happen to be white. Nationalism isn't a racial ideology. Wherever you read the nonsense you just posted, I encourage you to get your info somewhere else.


Again, it's not the media's fault (nor mine) that you don't understand the terminology.


Webster's definition of white nationalism:
one of a group of militant whites who espouse white supremacy and advocate enforced racial segregation


They aren't just "nationalists who happen to be white". Yeesh...



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Perfectenemy

To answer the first part of your question they didn't really give any new info beyond what's already been reported, car ran into pedestrians, 1 killed, weren't releasing her name because next of kin weren't ID'd yet. Told the white supremacists to go home, they're not wanted. They didn't take any questions, just made a few boiler plate statements and walked out.


Thanks for the rundown. Hmm it's usually not a good sign if they hesitate to mention the perpetrator by name. RiP @woman. I saw some pics of her but out of respect i will refrain from posting them of course.

RiP @the 2 police officers as well.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Kali74

No some here do deny Islamic terrorism and try and defend it all the time.


Some here argue against blanket labeling all Muslims because of what Islamic terrorists do.


yes - they are usually the same people who blanket label all Trump supporters together because of what neo nazi's do.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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Definition of nationalism. It has nothing to do with race. Theoretically, if your entire nation is composed entirely of the same race, it could, but in a nation like America nationalism is not a racial ideology. Please get informed, then post. "White nationalism" is a colloquialism that has come out of the exact type of misunderstanding of the terms that I was pointing out in the media.
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posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:37 PM
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a reply to: face23785

So you don't worry about the historic dangers of nationalism when it gets extreme and used for propaganda or do you?

I guess I shouldn't speak for you.
edit on 12-8-2017 by luthier because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:38 PM
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originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Abysha

Definition of nationalism. It has nothing to do with race. Theoretically, if your entire nation is composed entirely of the same race, it could, but in a nation like America nationalism is not a racial ideology. Please get informed, then post.


WHITE NATIONALISM is its own term! It's a real term.

Jesus Christ, it's not just nationalists who happen to be white...



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:38 PM
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White separatism and white supremacy are subgroups of white nationalism. Separatists seek a white-only state; supremacists believe that white people are superior to nonwhites

en.m.wikipedia.org...



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:38 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: face23785

Sony don't worry about the historic dangers of nationalism when it gets extreme and used for propaganda or do you?

I guess I shouldn't speak for you.


Every ideology has dangerous extremes in its history.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:39 PM
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a reply to: Abysha

It's its own term because of exactly what I was pointing out. When enough people use a term, even incorrectly, it gets a definition. I never said it wasn't a real word.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:40 PM
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a reply to: face23785

Yes that is the definition of what a nationalist is. But the "Nationalists" that are here in the US are White Nationalists. Or do you think it's just a coincidence that these "Nationalists" Groups who call themselves "Nationalists" just happen to also be a bunch of White Supremacy Advocates, Alt-Righters, KKK, etc.

All the "Nationalists" there today were there to support the Confederate Statue of G. Lee.

Rather than discuss the definition of the word put it in context of what we're actually talking about.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:40 PM
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What American cabinets would you consider nationalist just so I get a sense of what you mean.



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