Charlottesville VA Stuck Hosting (Arguably) Largest Hate Rally In Decades

a reply to: luthier

In my experience, Black Americans see the Civil War as part of their heritage as well.

Perhaps you have different experiences; are you concerned on their behalf, or yours?

a reply to: Gryphon66

That isn't the only reference. When did they put these statues up? Post or prior civil rights act, like the flag issue in SC.

It's a case by case basis and I pointed that out in my post to ask the animals.

Hmmm.. So Richard Spencer was there as well..

"I'm here to take part in this great celebration of our heritage and to say 'no' to the city of Charlottesville. You're not going to tear down our statue and you're not going to replace us," noted white nationalist Richard Spencer told NBC affiliate WVIR.

Chanting "All White Lives Matter," and "No More Brother Wars," the crowd, which said they were protecting their "white heritage" from the Charlottesville City Council’s decision to remove a statue in the Virginia town’s park

www.nbcnews.com...

If this was really about the statue, and history, and not the racial implications, they would label their actions as protecting American heritage instead of labeling it "white heritage".

Racists make themselves pretty obvious if you take the time to listen.

a reply to: luthier

We have reenactments of the Civil War battles right here in Atlanta. Ever heard of the Cyclorama?

I'll say this. Every single day I'm attacked as a white man.

Attacked on TV

Attacked on the Internet

Attacked by society


I wish I could go to that rally.

I really do wish.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Perfectenemy

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Asktheanimals

Only when they're denying the history and culture of others ...

Like the japanese? They out right banned Islam from their country. Now guess how many people are offended by it. It's only a problem if whites do it. Yeah nothing hypocritical about this.

That's an utterly muddled argument. The Japanese have nothing to do with what's going on in Charlotte.

No one here has ever said "it's only a problem if Whites do it" except those whining to justify more racism.

Like i said you're just another hypocrite. It's perfectly fine to ban a whole religion from a country but people get their panties in a bunch when a small group defends a statue from getting demolished for bull# reasons.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I live in South Carolina so it's not my expirience.

Moat blacks I know don't like the idea of memorials glorifying the confederacy. Like I said memorials that don't do that seem to be a better choice.

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Perfectenemy

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Asktheanimals

Only when they're denying the history and culture of others ...

Like the japanese? They out right banned Islam from their country. Now guess how many people are offended by it. It's only a problem if whites do it. Yeah nothing hypocritical about this.

That's an utterly muddled argument. The Japanese have nothing to do with what's going on in Charlotte.

No one here has ever said "it's only a problem if Whites do it" except those whining to justify more racism.

So you're implying only Whites can be racist. Ok.

Now you're being utterly disingenuous. Can you state any one on "the left" here who has ever said anything similar to "it's only a problem if Whites do it."

No, you can't. It's a whine from people trying to justify their own racism, by crying about the racism of others.

ETA: Further I have stated here MANY TIMES that anyone who acts against another based on their race is racist. Hell, I've said it in this very thread!

Get a new argument.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Gryphon66

I live in South Carolina so it's not my expirience.

Moat blacks I know don't like the idea of memorials glorifying the confederacy. Like I said memorials that don't do that seem to be a better choice.

So, all we have at the moment is our own anecdotal evidence.

Fair enough.

a reply to: Gryphon66

In your opinion the black population likes memorials that glorify confederate soldiers or talk about white supremacy or can you admit some may be bad choices and erected after the civil rights movement?

a reply to: Justso

I don't understand the comment.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Gryphon66

In your opinion the black population likes memorials that glorify confederate soldiers or talk about white supremacy or can you admit some may be bad choices and erected after the civil rights movement?

Now you're being disingenuous as well. Did I say anything resembling "the black population likes memorials ..."

Nope. You're going to have to play strawman arguments with someone else.

originally posted by: underwerks
If this was really about the statue, and history, and not the racial implications, they would label their actions as protecting American heritage instead of labeling it "white heritage".

Racists make themselves pretty obvious if you take the time to listen.

Racism is about discriminating against other races, not about celebrating your own race. If that were the case, then all the Mexican Americans waiving the Mexican flag and celebrating their Mexican heritage are racists.

a reply to: Tempter
That is part of the problem. We are letting the media direct us.

Before Whites were being attacked, it was some other race. It only matters when it affects you. We were warned of the consequences of what happens we allow ourselves to be divided.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Perhaps the problem is that some white supremacists don't hold up pictures of the Mona Lisa or books by Shakespeare ... they hold up swastikas and portraits of A. Hitler.

That might have something to do with it.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Gryphon66

In your opinion the black population likes memorials that glorify confederate soldiers or talk about white supremacy or can you admit some may be bad choices and erected after the civil rights movement?

Now you're being disingenuous as well. Did I say anything resembling "the black population likes memorials ..."

Nope. You're going to have to play strawman arguments with someone else.

Don't take your ball and go home. Your being disengenous trying to play the Devils advocate. You know damn well many of these statues are innapropriate. I have already admitted plenty are appropriate. It's the message they are displaying.

I have no problem with the SC memorial. I did with the flag which was flown during the Civil rights Era.

See I have been clarifying. While you try and snipe.

Good day to you if you can't take your own medicine.

Eta edit states to statues. Just a typo.

Why are we ever talking about this in terms of a peaceful protest? It already turned violent last night when these hatemongers assaulted members of the UVA community.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Perhaps the problem is that some white supremacists don't hold up pictures of the Mona Lisa or books by Shakespeare ... they hold up swastikas and portraits of A. Hitler.

That might have something to do with it.

No, it has nothing to do with it, at least nothing to do with what I was talking about. Celebrating, or protecting your own heritage, isn't racist.

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

Even if it's racist heritage. That doesn't make sense.