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I Agree With Trump's Evangelical Advisor...

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posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 08:59 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It's funny how many of us get along when outside the political forums.
Butcher guy and I clash like crazy in the political forums and are best buds in the cooking forums.
I just starred carewemust twice outside the mud pit.
We're all just silly little humans at the end of the day.
Peace,
Karen




posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 09:16 AM
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a reply to: Abysha

God I love religion!
It's so good.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 09:20 AM
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a reply to: luthier

Or maybe every choice and action we think we make spawns another timeline?

If our universe operates along the lines of infinite diversity in infinite combination maybe time, or our conscious perception of such, does also?

Or possibly times not quite the linear beast we perceive it to be?

The phase "Time is nature's way to keep everything from happening all at once." springs to mind.
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posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 09:31 AM
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a reply to: Abysha


I just wanted to point out that Trump's evangelical advisor is 100% correct about his divine right to nuke whoever the # he wants to. It is in the bible. If we nuke them all, we might be next in line for god's mercy! Oh joy!


Does this also mean that we can take all the female North Korean virgins for ourselves, as spoils of war?

"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves."

Numbers 31:17-18
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posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: Liquesence

Kinda doubt it:

"So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God."

Romans 7:4

But, by all means keep trying ...



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: Liquesence

Your forgot the "context," "saved-by-grace," "old things are passed away" arguments.

Which essentially means that some folks only quote OT when it suits their personal prejudices.


edit on 12-8-2017 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 09:57 AM
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originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: Liquesence

Kinda doubt it:

"So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God."

Romans 7:4

But, by all means keep trying ...




Romans 13 
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: windword

Are you saying that attacking the government is a smart move? Or will doing so bring judgement upon the attacker?

"Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor."

Fairly common sense advice in Romans 13 actually



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: 200Plus


Nope. You can find scripture to back anything.

Religion has no place in government. Presidents, senators, judges, police officers, CPS workers, etc., are NOT ordained by God. They're ordained by the people, and they serve at the pleasure of the people.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: windword

I won't argue that at all. I'm pagan so ordaining anyone by Christian mythos would be odd from the get go actually.

I'd say you can "twist" scripture to fit anything, not "find".

I disagree with anyone that looks for ways to "gotcha" with religious text. It's weak.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: Abysha


Then so would Trump choking to death on a big mac.


LOL!!! Indeed


I really like the way you presented this: As an accepted premise and then taking it to its natural inevitable unacceptable conclusion. No good can come from this kind of thinking, and we should all know better, no matter what faith we profess.

This is one of those times when this Christian -- me! -- can't help but cringe at those "Christians." There's always some out there willing to be that person and it's just damn pathetic.

I think it was Ghandi who said "I really like that Jesus fellow... too bad Christians aren't more like Him." (Very poor paraphrase -- my apologies!)



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 10:43 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

You see the nutjobs who believe this also believe that they will magically be saved and transported to a "new heaven and new earth" where they will only be around other (fundamentalist) Christians for all eternity.


I can live with that!


Fair enough, because that sounds like Hell to me ...


More and more, I'm convinced that we're already in Hell.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 10:45 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea

The Gnostics make a lot of sense.

Well, some of them.

(Good to see you Bo.)



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 10:46 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: 200Plus

You can find scripture to back anything.


Or, as Edgar Cayce said, we can read anything we want into the Bible... or out of the Bible. And we can't blame God or Jesus for our choice...



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Boadicea

The Gnostics make a lot of sense.

Well, some of them.


Which is probably why they were the first "alt-Christian" group to be persecuted, eh???


(Good to see you Bo.)


Right back atcha! I hope you're being good to yourself



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 10:56 AM
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a reply to: Liquesence



Does this also mean that we can take all the female North Korean virgins for ourselves, as spoils of war?

Best not nuke them.

The soldiers charging in to Pyongyang: "Oh yeah! Gonna get me some virgins!"

Trump in his bunker: "Launch the nukes."

The General: "But, our troops."



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: GD21D



...It's kinda funny how a lot of people in the modernized west use a desire for mass violence as an indictment against Islam, but are quick to rationalize it when they are able, and, in some cases, use their own religion to do so.

Trust me, I've noticed the double standard. There's a thread HERE where many are calling for an American preemptive nuclear strike on North Korea and China. But somehow that doesn't count as Christian terrorism, Christian extremism, etc, even though the US is a Christian majority country and the nuclear strikes would kill and injure countless millions of innocent people. Yet many of those same posters will use an individual Muslim's actions as an indictment on Islam as a whole.

There's another thread about the drug war in the Philippines which has seen at least 6,000 drug dealers, drug users, and suspects killed (HERE). Several posters have pointed out that some of the killings have really been to settle personal grudges, with drugs being used as the legal excuse to avoid prosecution. But not once did I notice anyone point out that Christianity is by far the dominant religion in the Philippines, with more than 90% of the population being Christians. If it were Iran, the narratives would be about how that drug war proved how "brutal" Islam is. There's even another thread from 3 weeks ago (HERE) which argued that Islam would create a cultural clash in the US because Islam is against drug use, even though the drug laws here are actually created by and supported by Christian lawmakers (just like with the Philippines).

I've long argued that there are extremists in every demographic and that any ideology/creed/religion/idea can be used to promote positivity or negativity. Just as I've known some amazing Christians, I've also known some bloodthirsty ones, especially ones who joined the military specifically to be allowed to legally kill. Though I'm mostly a socialist, communism is atheist by design, with communist regimes specifically oppressing religion in various countries. Ethiopia's Derg regime did it, China does it towards the Falun Gong & Islam, and North Korea does it towards the public practice of any religion. Even science has been used for atrocities, with science being the source behind eugenics programs and the field that's now called "scientific racism". The single reoccurring factor is the existence of people who use their beliefs to justify atrocities.



To be honest, the NK thing is complicated, and maybe the only way to deal with that regime is military intervention, but I'd prefer to keep the religious slant out of it. Tough nut to crack regardless. A lot of moving parts in that ordeal. It's just not as simple as a 96 hr operation and everyone goes home.

I don't know why everyone's so readily accepted the idea that some form of war is the only solution there. Maybe it's because our media, commentators/shock jocks, and political leaders don't explain the previous deals made with the North Koreans?

In 2000, South Korea's former leader Kim Dae-jung won the Nobel Peace Prize for implementing his "Sunshine Policy" with North Korea. It was a peace plan that saw massive cooperation between the North and South Koreas, including joint business deals, reunions of families that were split by the North-South borders, etc. And for most of the period ranging from the early 1970s to the early 1990s, the Koreas shared positive relations, even going so far as to state that both of their overall goals was reunification.

So it's not like peace talks can't work. If anything, there's more of a precedent for success from peace talks than from war. But nearly everyone seems to have drank the MIC's proverbial kool-aid and accepted that some form of war is the only answer. Then again, this is a war hungry nation where killers, err, "warriors/soldiers/War Presidents" are held in high esteem. So it makes sense that people here would lean towards violence to solve problems, even when those problems can be solved with negotiations.

edit on 12-8-2017 by enlightenedservant because: typo. "Though I'm mostly a socialist" not "Though I'm mostly a socialism". durr...



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 01:33 PM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Abysha


Then so would Trump choking to death on a big mac.


LOL!!! Indeed


I really like the way you presented this: As an accepted premise and then taking it to its natural inevitable unacceptable conclusion. No good can come from this kind of thinking, and we should all know better, no matter what faith we profess.

This is one of those times when this Christian -- me! -- can't help but cringe at those "Christians." There's always some out there willing to be that person and it's just damn pathetic.

I think it was Ghandi who said "I really like that Jesus fellow... too bad Christians aren't more like Him." (Very poor paraphrase -- my apologies!)



It's also why I hesitate to make these kind of threads or statements. It's difficult being critical about one aspect from a group without offending others in that group who may not even share the logic being criticized. I really appreciate you understanding the difference and know it's not aimed at the average Christian (at least I hope not, lol).

That pastor was just a "last straw" moment for me yesterday and I had to dissect it a bit.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 01:33 PM
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Threads about God not Trump....Trump won because of 306 electorial votes. No matter how you all try to slice it up, he won fair & square. And I believe that's what gets the left the most......he beat them at their own game.a reply to: MyHappyDogShiner



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 01:40 PM
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originally posted by: openyourmind1262
Threads about God not Trump....Trump won because of 306 electorial votes. No matter how you all try to slice it up, he won fair & square. And I believe that's what gets the left the most......he beat them at their own game.a reply to: MyHappyDogShiner



I think what "gets the left" the most about the election is that three million more people voted for his opponent yet he still won. It's square, yes... but not fair. Never has been. No person's vote should be worth more than another's.

But that's in the past. I think what really "gets the left" now is the same thing that gets a ton of folk on the right; we have an incompetent man-child directing our destiny. It's genuinely scary.



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