Look To Modus Operandi, In This Case, Business Records Just Disappearing, Just Vaporizing

If you watched "The Rachel Maddow Show" last night, you would have learned about a case that involved chiseling the City of New York out of millions of dollars due them by a big-time, celebrity real estate developer. There were attempts to stymie the city's auditors who were out to determine what was truly owed to the city by, how you say, making business records "unavailable" due to lame excuses like floods in New Jersey and computer problems in Chicago. The whole episode was characterized as extreme flimflammery by a featured speaker in a past video clip.

That same celebrity real estate developer has been connected in really big ways to financial misdeeds that include money laundering, and he has been very much connected to the Russian mafia which has been similarly connected in really big ways to money laundering.

Rumor has it that there were a lot of business records — EVIDENCE — in money laundering cases in Building 7 of the World Trade Center that had just disappeared, just vaporized on September 11, 2017... ditto for such cases and evidence in Buildings 5 and 6 as well.

Reminder: this writer has already made it known that he has strong reason to believe that a New York City faction comprised mainly of the Russian mafia executed the total destruction of the World Trade Center in New York City on September 11, 2001... that is, the destruction that took place beyond the initial punching of two holes high up in the Twin Towers.

NOW, NOTE WELL: just because your modus operandi include the hocus-pocus, alakazam disappearing of business records plus being connected to money laundering and coincide with the suspected modus operandi of an infamous crime does not mean that you have committed that crime.

While I have your attention, it was also noted on Rachel Maddow’s show that it seemed odd that attorney John Down blasted the F.B.I.’s raid on Paul Manafort’s home with Dowd’s saying that he would challenge the legitimacy of the search warrant which authorized that raid in order to have seized evidence suppressed, BUT DOWD IS NOT MANAFORT’S ATTORNEY.

What does this tell you? I’ll tell you what it tells me.

It tells me that the F.B.I.’s raid on Paul Manafort’s home was not to seize Paul Manafort’s records but to seize “disappeared” records of Dowd’s client that may have been secreted in Manafort’s home.

Furthermore, it was reported that the big F.B.I. raid somehow escaped the attention of Paul Manafort’s neighbors who apparently did nothing to leak news of that raid to the press, and, so, the world did not learn about the raid until two weeks had passed since the raid.

What does this tell you? I’ll tell you what it tells me.

The F.B.I.’s raid with a search warrant came as no surprise to Paul Manaforte. He was fully expecting it because he had been made fully aware of it, this being part of his cooperating with the feds. Having the APPEARANCE of a raid created an appearance of an INVOLUNTARY release of records thus creating an APPEARANCE for the benefit of Paul Manafort’s NOT cooperating to the extent that he had been cooperating with the feds. Hence, Paul Manafort can continue a ruse of “friendship” and loyalty to the you-should-know-who big shot.

It was noted on Rachel Maddow’s show by a guest speaker, that even in the absence of “disappeared” records, associated, forensic “fingerprints” are still left behind elsewhere... somewhere... Paul Manafort’s home, for example??

TO REPEAT: just because your modus operandi include the hocus-pocus, alakazam disappearing of business records plus being connected to money laundering and coincide with the suspected modus operandi of an infamous crime does not mean that you have committed that crime.

Rumor has it that there were a lot of business records — EVIDENCE

So a rumor of evidence.

this writer has already made it known that he has strong reason to believe

Yeah, tooth fairy.

just because your modus operandi include the hocus-pocus, alakazam disappearing of business records plus being connected to money laundering and coincide with the suspected modus operandi of an infamous crime does not mean that you have committed that crime.

And the bar is lowered some more.

However, a whole anti Trump thread without using his name.

Lol

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a reply to: theworldisnotenough

Here is the thing...

Couldn't someone find a far easier and less risky way to disappear the files than by pulling off 911??


Or whatever reason we could think up for perpetrate 911 assuming the files were not the main mission but evidence of the plot or what have you???

To me in any conspiracy you have to follow the logic trail..


Say they did 911 to justify invading Iraq and Afghanistan..

Wouldn't blowing up a daycare in every state get the same thing done for a tenth the risk and expense????

If I am smart enough to think of that, then theurcpeople would have to as well..

Russian Mafia?..... There was a thread not too long ago posturing that a Russian missile hit The
Pentagon. Interesting

ironically, the Trump/Russia 911 conjecture seems more attainable than the officially authorized hypothesis...

Ironic that the destructing of the WTC caused Manhattan to be littered with WTC documents.

Photo: picryl.com...
[Two men assisting and walking with an injured woman down a street littered with paper and ashes, following the September 11th terrorist attack on the World Trade Center, New York City] / Don Halasy. - Library of Congress (2001-01-01 & 2001-01-01)

Photo: www.gettyimages.co.uk...-litter-a-street-in-sou thern-manhattan-near-the-wreckage-of-the-picture-id1163168
Rescue Workers Search Through WTC Rubble

Papers litter a street in southern Manhattan near the wreckage of the World Trade Center September 13, 2001 in New York City. Rescue efforts continued two days after two airplanes slammed into the twin towers in an alleged terrorist attack, levelling them.
Rescue Workers Search Through WTC Rubble
September 13, 2001

So, the 9/11 attacks did not completely destroy documents, and spread them all over the streets. Funny way to destroy documents.

And you still would have records of contracts with city and state governments, records of payments from city and state governments, and all the records of money transfers and banking records?

a reply to: theworldisnotenough

What office in WTC 7 housed records that would destroy the financial records of the "big time celebrity re....... WTF, you cannot just write Trump. Is that how thin your argument is? You can only imply Trump? Cannot even invoke the name!

What WTC offices did Trump have his complete financial dealings housed at?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: theworldisnotenough


What WTC offices did Trump have his complete financial dealings housed at?

Dear neutronflux:

You seem to have read things in the OP that are simply not there.

I refer you back to the OP, and I strongly suggest that you re-read it.

While I have your attention, I also strongly suggest that you do a little research on the behavior of then-NYC-Mayor Rudy Giuliani — what he said and what he did — on September 11, 2001 shortly before Building 7 of WTC came down, and on the next day, and on the next day thereafter.

RUDY GIULIANI TO THIS DAY is a close associate and bosom buddy of you-should-know-who, and you should know the old saying: “Birds of a feather flock together.”

a reply to: theworldisnotenough

I strongly suggest that you create an argument based on fact and evidence.....
Not wishful speculation. You might also have some credibility if you posted this before Trump was president.

The 9/11 attacks did not completely destroy documents, and spread them all over the streets. Funny way to destroy documents.

And you still would have records of contracts with city and state governments, records of payments from city and state governments, and all the records of money transfers and banking records.

What office in WTC 7 housed records that would destroy the financial records of the "big time celebrity re....... WTF, you cannot just write Trump. Is that how thin your argument is? You can only imply Trump? Cannot even invoke the name!

What WTC offices did Trump have his complete financial dealings housed at?

Can you answer the questions to provide a compelling reason to further my research?

a reply to: theworldisnotenough

blah, blah, blah, the things snowflakes believe. time and time again some bs comes out about trump, since the beginning of the campaign. yet nothing has happened or been proven to be a crime.

if just two or three out of all of the accusations against trump were true, he would've been gone by now. let alone what is now something like 100, 200, 300, been so many i've lost count.

give it a rest. if there is anything that will hang him it will come out in the long run.

a reply to: theworldisnotenough

Is Giuliani the big time celebrity real estate developer that had offices in New Jersey that got destroyed? You are all over the place, picking half facts out of context? Can you stay on topic and even explain by name who's complete financial dealings were destroyed on 9/11? And how?

originally posted by: neutronflux
Ironic that the destructing of the WTC caused Manhattan to be littered with WTC documents.

Photo: picryl.com...
[Two men assisting and walking with an injured woman down a street littered with paper and ashes, following the September 11th terrorist attack on the World Trade Center, New York City] / Don Halasy. - Library of Congress (2001-01-01 & 2001-01-01)

Photo: www.gettyimages.co.uk...-litter-a-street-in-sou thern-manhattan-near-the-wreckage-of-the-picture-id1163168
Rescue Workers Search Through WTC Rubble

Papers litter a street in southern Manhattan near the wreckage of the World Trade Center September 13, 2001 in New York City. Rescue efforts continued two days after two airplanes slammed into the twin towers in an alleged terrorist attack, levelling them.
Rescue Workers Search Through WTC Rubble
September 13, 2001

So, the 9/11 attacks did not completely destroy documents, and spread them all over the streets. Funny way to destroy documents.

And you still would have records of contracts with city and state governments, records of payments from city and state governments, and all the records of money transfers and banking records?

I suppose that depends on which documents you're targeting. A thousand boxes of file folders could be intentionally burned, while the blast could easily toss ten thousand more.

a reply to: lordcomac

Is it untrue to say most important electric files are backed up offsite?

What about all the documents in fire proof safes and cabinets?

Example: Recovery of 9/11 safe deposit box contents in the WTC's J.P. Morgan Chase vault
m.youtube.com...

Items from a normal safe deposit box with very little if any fire proofing.


So people went around WTC 7 dumping safes and cabinets before 9/11 at the risk of having documents surviving and being blown around? Or recovered from the ruble?

Reality......


SEC & EEOC:
Attack Delays Investigations
By Margaret Cronin Fisk
National Law Journal
September 17, 2001

www.wanttoknow.info...

EEOC Records Destroyed

The EEOC's New York office, which was housed in 7 World Trade Center, sustained no loss of life. But all the agency's records were destroyed.

Many of the files are backed up in the computer system, but a substantial number of documents are simply gone, said Spencer Lewis, the EEOC district director. Depositions and notes were not scanned into computers and are lost. With depositions and interviews, the agency will be contacting court reporters "and hoping that they've got them so we can reconstruct files," Lewis said. This covers about 45 active cases, including a recent action against Morgan Stanley.

But employment litigators believe the effect here, too, will be transitory.

"The EEOC is decimated as far as office space goes," but any problems are "only short-term," said Michael Weber of the New York office of Littler Mendelson. "They will get back to business." The agencies will be seeking documents from the private law firms and defendants, Weber notes. "My sense is that we will cooperate," he noted. "Our goal is not to take advantage of this catastrophe."

"A lot of their records they'll have online, so they'll just reprint them out," adds Harkins. "The EEOC is in a better position than the SEC, because the SEC has a lot more confidential files."

Let me see if I’ve gotten it right.

You are saying that it can’t be, it can’t be, it can’t be that perps intended to destroy documents by bringing down Building 7 (and 5 and 6) because SOME documents survived and littered the streets of lower Manhattan.

Well, I don’t remember scenes of people recovering those pages and pages of documents, sorting them out, and binding them in binders.

What I do remember are scenes of big automated street sweepers going down the streets of lower Manhattan and sweeping up all of those pages along with a whole lot of dust and assorted other debris.

While you may think that it simply would not make any sense to perpetrate a crime such as 9/11 intending it to serve as an attempt to destroy evidence, remember a scene from the CBS TV Show, “Criminal Minds.”

A line in that scene, in which a notable F.B.I. behavioral specialist was giving a lecture to a group of criminal justice students, went like this: “It only has to make sense in the mind of the unsub.”

BTW, there may have been far more other criminal investigations on which the kibosh was intended than just money laundering investigations.

Then there is the motive that is usually behind various forms of arson... to wit, insurance claims.

I never stated that there would not be other motives.

a reply to: theworldisnotenough

Can you a answer what offices Giuliani and Trump had at the WTC that would have destroyed all their financial records?

How did the destruction of WTC 7 destroy all the scanned and on line files of any investigation or audits?

Is it false to say records and papers did survive the WTC destruction.

How did destroying WTC destroy servers either offsite or backed up off site. Records and interviews filed with the court system. Any paper work with law firms not at the WTC. Government contract records. Banking and money transactions of banks not at the WTC or backed up online.

I just cited a source that shows investigations were not stopped because of 9/11. The case files were reconstruct as best as possible, and the investigations resumed. No loss of life associated with WTC 7? Lots of people to interview.

originally posted by: theworldisnotenough

While you may think that it simply would not make any sense to perpetrate a crime such as 9/11 intending it to serve as an attempt to destroy evidence, remember a scene from the CBS TV Show, “Criminal Minds.”

A line in that scene, in which a notable F.B.I. behavioral specialist was giving a lecture to a group of criminal justice students, went like this: “It only has to make sense in the mind of the unsub.”

You do know you are quoting a fantasy TV show where grunt on the ground investors fly around in private leased jets.........

Is that your only "credible" source to cite? How about dealing in actual evidence concerning he that is so evil you refer to him as the celebrity real estate investor.... what is this? Harry Potter's criminal minds.

a reply to: theworldisnotenough

You are clearly seriously deluded.....

Ever hear of OFFSITE BACKUPS .. Companies like Iron Mountain specialize in storing important records in
secure offsite locations.

Companies (and Gubmint agencies) maintain backup servers offsite. Servers are backed up regularly and tapes
stored offsite

There are complete backup data centers with computers and servers ready in case of emergency (fires, floods, etc)

Employees are told to report there in case of problems

So you believe that someone blew up WTC 7 to destroy records held there ...??

Question #1 how did they rig building with explosives ? Clearly you have no concept of just how long and
difficult it is to pre a building a demolition. Takes months and involves removing everything from interior [
walls, partitions, plumbing , wiring, etc. Support columns are cut to weaken building

Explain how this was done in an OCCUPIED BUILDING

Question #2 - What about offsite backups and copies - what happened to them ?? Did some sekrit team of
ninja work to destroy them ??

originally posted by: neutronflux
Reality......


SEC & EEOC:
Attack Delays Investigations
By Margaret Cronin Fisk
National Law Journal
September 17, 2001

www.wanttoknow.info...

EEOC Records Destroyed

The EEOC's New York office, which was housed in 7 World Trade Center, sustained no loss of life. But all the agency's records were destroyed.

Many of the files are backed up in the computer system, but a substantial number of documents are simply gone, said Spencer Lewis, the EEOC district director. Depositions and notes were not scanned into computers and are lost. With depositions and interviews, the agency will be contacting court reporters "and hoping that they've got them so we can reconstruct files," Lewis said. This covers about 45 active cases, including a recent action against Morgan Stanley.

But employment litigators believe the effect here, too, will be transitory.

"The EEOC is decimated as far as office space goes," but any problems are "only short-term," said Michael Weber of the New York office of Littler Mendelson. "They will get back to business." The agencies will be seeking documents from the private law firms and defendants, Weber notes. "My sense is that we will cooperate," he noted. "Our goal is not to take advantage of this catastrophe."

"A lot of their records they'll have online, so they'll just reprint them out," adds Harkins. "The EEOC is in a better position than the SEC, because the SEC has a lot more confidential files."

Hopes and intentions!!

All that was cited in the article that you quoted were mere hopes and intentions that were, on a very preliminary basis, formulated a mere 6 days after 9/11 by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

We never heard if these hopes and intentions were actually implemented in any successful way.

The more important point that I am about to make more strongly negates any point you were trying to make by using the EEOC as an example.

THE EEOC HANDLES CIVIL MATTERS.

Civil matters need to meet a far less rigorous burden of proof than criminal matters.

For civil matters, preponderance of evidence will suffice for a litigant to prevail.

For a criminal matter, a prosecutor has to prove a defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Even slight damage to a prosecutor’s case can put the kibosh on the prosecution's proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Moreover, investigations by an agency like the EEOC do not need to meet the standard of discretion and secrecy of criminal investigations, e.g. the activities of a criminal grand jury. Violating the secrecy of a criminal investigation can totally ruin it... not necessarily so with an EEOC investigation.

originally posted by: theworldisnotenough


What I do remember are scenes of big automated street sweepers.........

If you remember scenes of big AUTOMATED street sweepers, then you're clearly either lieing or delusional, for AUTOMATED street sweepers don't exist in NYC.

That means that your opinion on all things 9/11 is without value and can be dismissed as mere rambling.

They're all driven by people. Not automated.