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Trump says he’s considering military response to Venezuela

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posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: introvert

Stop trying to avoid the original question I asked you to explain. You are clearly trying to deflect away from the fact you were caught talking out of your a$$ again.

Explain why you consider the military option a moronic move.

Off topic: Please don't think socialism was not the foundation for the crumbling of Venezuela. This won't end well for you.




posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: Outlier13



Explain why you consider the military option a moronic move.


Because it's none of our business. It's that simple.

Who do we think we are that we have to involve ourselves in other nation's problems?



Off topic: Please don't think socialism was not the foundation for the crumbling of Venezuela. This won't end well for you.


Such arrogance.

I bet you don't have any clue what was behind their downfall.

Let me give you a hint: Currency controls.

Socialism had little to do with it.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Outlier13
Yet another example of how uninformed the left is. This has nothing to do with supporting Trump. Your post is a prime example of how willfully ignorant the left has become. You apparently do not understand the world wide ramifications of what it would mean to allow Venezuela to implode.

Keep making it about identity politics. That's all the left is capable of these days.


So then rather than call me a leftist and proclaim me guilty of identity politics, why don't you explain it? Tell me how Venezuela imploding is going to cause massive ramifications around the world, and more specifically to America.


No. I am not going to educate you. Instead I am going to point out the ignorance of the left simply because they want to hate another person or party because it is not their own.

My disdain for the left arises from their ideologies with social issues, finance, military spending, and big government. Not simply because they are on the left. When you make willfully ignorant statements such as you did in your first post you are demonstrating a lack of awareness of current events and how those current events impact and affect not just the US but others.

I am not going to educate you because I would then become an enabler. The left has become so accustomed to being spoon fed and it's time to ween yourselfs from others and do the work yourself. If you truly want to understand that the ramifications would be then sit down and spend an hour reading. Read about the past administration in Venezuela and how divided the country became as a result of the current administration. Look at how co-dependent Venezuelans are on their government. Look at where Venezuela derives it export revenues from. Perhaps spend some time researching how much of the world's oil reserves Venezuela controls. Now you're getting warmer. Then do some research on who Venezuela is closely aligned to politically. Warmer still. You will need to apply critical thinking skills along your journey. Gather the facts and make informed judgements based on those facts.

Why on Earth would you even want me to explain something to you anyway? You view me as a biased Trump supporter so you would instantly discount anything I write here.

Just follow the path.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: introvert

You see now finally you pose a valid argument with currency controls. But...you have to understand the only reason currency controls were put into place was due to oil strikes. Chavez didn't want big oil money leaving his country and for good reason. It accounts for 95% of their revenues. The revenues that pay for all of the social systems in place in Venezuela.

Socialism caused the enactment of currency controls.

Nothing you come up with is going to detract from the fact that when you give something away for free or nearly free that the money has to come from somewhere. Socialism always fails long term. Always.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 11:13 AM
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originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: introvert

You see now finally you pose a valid argument with currency controls. But...you have to understand the only reason currency controls were put into place was due to oil strikes. Chavez didn't want big oil money leaving his country and for good reason. It accounts for 95% of their revenues. The revenues that pay for all of the social systems in place in Venezuela.

Socialism caused the enactment of currency controls.

Nothing you come up with is going to detract from the fact that when you give something away for free or nearly free that the money has to come from somewhere. Socialism always fails long term. Always.





The currency control issue was not about oil. It was that the government refused to conduct business in a currency accepted by other nations, such as the US dollar. It made it very difficult to import/export goods because of that.

Industries began to dry up and the Venezuelan note became pretty much worthless. They couldn't import the things they needed and food came in short supply.

All because they refused to bow to the US dollar.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 11:17 AM
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Just more of his drama queen BS. Twitter Dum and Twitter Dee.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 12:50 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Although i agree with you regarding currancy control. Venezuela has a decent oil industry now defunct due to currancy control that could bolster the usa if it were under our control.

The usa has been putting SF green berets into Venezuela since a few years ago in the obama administration and are continuing todo so now. Their job to rally and train the rebels. The rebels job is to thwart the current govt that doesnt want to play ball with the usa. That govt falls and the usa puts in cia puppet govt and Venezuela ends up being a usa controlled country doing our bidding and sending us their oil. Sounds like were seeing the fruition of a long ongoing CIA backed economic hit job on Venezuela



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 01:10 PM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
I wonder what world court gave us the right to do in countries as we see fit...
when our own country is ripe with corruption and we can't even give our people health care...
the world stage will no longer stand behind this behavior, i hope our allies keep on dwindling



The worse part in all this is Trump was a draft dodger when he needed to have skin in the game.
Right now, Trump has no skin in the game because him and his loved ones will be behind blast doors and underground bunkers if it ever goes hot while everyone perishes around him.

I bet Trump would change his tune if his loved ones had to serve on the front lines and no...not hidden away in some military office either.


Trump cab run his big mouth because he has no skin in the game a like like a good socialist have other people to pay for it



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: Perfectenemy
Ah i love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning. I guess nobody has any idea what's going on in Venezuela right now but hey blaming Trump is far easier then just doing a quick research of their dire situation. Maduro disarmed the civilan population and is killing them left and right but who cares about that no bashing Trump that's the real important issue here.

Civilian death toll rises to a 100

You people are pathetic.





So it is the tax payers responsibility to care for the welfare of others in other nations but not are own?



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 01:24 PM
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originally posted by: Trueman

originally posted by: buckwhizzle
Once the Venezuelan people depose Maduro,then we can help with humanitarian supplies.Until then,sorry.


Since that's your idea, now tell us how the hell you think the Venezuelan people could do that alone? Come on, tell us how.



Sending in humanitarian supplies is helping them
Sending in our military is never to help them
It is to kill a bunch of people and we see how that works all the time
We had to kill a bunch of people to save them

There were some Iraqi's I was in contact with that were pretty much Pro American and even supported us removing Saddam
But once we sent the military in and and started killing indiscriminately, their tune changed and wanted us out of the country.

We do a terrible job at nation building at that is what you are suggesting

The Venezuelans will hate us for our "help"



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 01:26 PM
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originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
I thought the big dumb ass was going all "america first" and stuff....

Hows about we fix problems here instead of policing the world like he complained the U.S. has been doing for too long during his campaign?.

...Just a bunch of frickin gold-fish...



It is becoming more and more clear, Trump is a NEOCON Globalist that he claimed to fight against



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 05:09 PM
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a reply to: introvert

You are incorrect. So by your logic Chavez woke up one day and because he had a huge ego he arbitrarily decided to impose currency controls? Really? Nothing provoked the decision? Not the oil strikes in 2002-2003. After the oil strikes is when Chavez implemented currency controls. Do you know how many exchange rates there are in Venezuela? 4. Do you know how those exchange rates work? Horribly. Why? Socialism failing at its finest yet again.

It started with oil...was always about oil...and will continue to be about oil.

Your closing statement means what exactly?

"refused to bow to the US dollar"



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: introvert

To think we almost said that about Hillary. Shewwww



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 07:21 PM
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a reply to: jacobe001

We didnt go in and start killing willy nilly. Your Iraqi friends forget that alot of killings were due to terrorist killing them off to cause hatred to the US troops.

Anyway we should had immediatly left when saddam was dead. no rebuilding no nothing. Same thing needs to happen to Venezuela. go in kill leader then leave it in the peoples hands.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 10:49 PM
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originally posted by: Outlier13
No. I am not going to educate you. Instead I am going to point out the ignorance of the left simply because they want to hate another person or party because it is not their own.

My disdain for the left arises from their ideologies with social issues, finance, military spending, and big government. Not simply because they are on the left. When you make willfully ignorant statements such as you did in your first post you are demonstrating a lack of awareness of current events and how those current events impact and affect not just the US but others.


So my statements are ignorant but when I ask for you to further clarify or to properly teach me, you refuse. Isn't this perpetuating ignorance?


I am not going to educate you because I would then become an enabler. The left has become so accustomed to being spoon fed and it's time to ween yourselfs from others and do the work yourself. If you truly want to understand that the ramifications would be then sit down and spend an hour reading. Read about the past administration in Venezuela and how divided the country became as a result of the current administration. Look at how co-dependent Venezuelans are on their government. Look at where Venezuela derives it export revenues from. Perhaps spend some time researching how much of the world's oil reserves Venezuela controls. Now you're getting warmer. Then do some research on who Venezuela is closely aligned to politically. Warmer still. You will need to apply critical thinking skills along your journey. Gather the facts and make informed judgements based on those facts.


I do read, for several hours each night. Furthermore, I also talk to people from Venezuela, I don't just limit myself to news of the country.


Why on Earth would you even want me to explain something to you anyway? You view me as a biased Trump supporter so you would instantly discount anything I write here.


You have no idea how I view you. I don't think in terms of left and right. Instead, what I'm interested in is the thought process here. I have my opinion on interventionist policies, and that opinion differs by nation. Venezuela is one that I don't think we should get involved in, we've killed enough brown people for oil already.

Honestly, the US does not have a very good track record of backing rebels and overthrowing nations, we've screwed it up pretty much every single time we've tried. Not only does it run completely contrary to our own national principles of nations having the right of self determination but we can't point to any actual successes. Even in the rare instances where we've gotten a pro US government firmly entrenched into power, those rulers have been brutal dictators. Instead all too often we end up creating another Iran, or an Iraq, or a Syria, or a Chile.

I make no secret that I dislike Trump, but one thing I did like about his campaign promises, is that he promised to be more of an isolationist and not send the military all over the world being their policeman. All I'm saying is, he needs to stick to his promises rather than do 180's when there's no discernable reason for the change.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 10:51 PM
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originally posted by: jacobe001
The worse part in all this is Trump was a draft dodger when he needed to have skin in the game.


Skin in the game doesn't matter. Any effective leader should have no trouble ordering people to fight and die, regardless of relationship.

Plus, the mortality rate in our military these days is pretty low, even combat troops are statistically safer than pizza delivery drivers.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 10:53 PM
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originally posted by: yuppa
We didnt go in and start killing willy nilly. Your Iraqi friends forget that alot of killings were due to terrorist killing them off to cause hatred to the US troops.


If you would like, you can go stand at my best friends tombstone and tell him that. I grew up with him, his family was here from Iraq on a student visa. After he graduated college, he went back to Iraq because he wanted to show that America is good, and help rebuild the country. This was around 2005. He was killed by an American soldier... collateral damage.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 11:52 PM
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I had to post this, it seems the film industry has a little more knowledge than we do about our future, just like little 9 elevens in some movies before September 11th 2001. - Avatar was made 2009 and the news this week is mentioning about possible involvement in Venezuela.


memes.getyarn.io...



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 01:46 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: yuppa
We didnt go in and start killing willy nilly. Your Iraqi friends forget that alot of killings were due to terrorist killing them off to cause hatred to the US troops.


If you would like, you can go stand at my best friends tombstone and tell him that. I grew up with him, his family was here from Iraq on a student visa. After he graduated college, he went back to Iraq because he wanted to show that America is good, and help rebuild the country. This was around 2005. He was killed by an American soldier... collateral damage.


Tell that to my female friend who was blown up by a PAli rocket. we can compare dead bodies all day long if you wish. OOPs collatorral damage as well.
Your friend was a moron to go into a warzone. MIne was actually doing her duty as a IDF soldier and had no choice in going into said warzone.



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 01:59 AM
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Want a laugh? The Venezuelan President is telling Donald Trump that his words about the country are hurting "the peace"! What peace? OMG.



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