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The Definition of Fascism -- Who What Where and How they reDefined it

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posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 05:48 PM
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I just wanna have a little bit of both without getting it from both ends.




posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 05:52 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Theres been countless references all over the net



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 05:55 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

en.wikipedia.org...


Christopher Columbus (Italian: Cristoforo Colombo;[a] c. 1451 – 20 May 1506) was an Italian explorer, navigator, and colonizer. Born in the Republic of Genoa,[3] under the auspices of the Catholic Monarchs of Spain he completed four voyages across the Atlantic Ocean. Those voyages and his efforts to establish settlements on the island of Hispaniola initiated the permanent European colonization of the New World.


Even more evidence that Rome still controls the world



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 06:01 PM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

That's certainly another way of look at it. First it was Roman Empire. Then it was the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Next Mussolini and Hitler with his third Reich. The Roman Catholic Church still has power today.



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 06:02 PM
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Ooookay, time for me to head out.

Just a note ... fascism as a political movement didn't exist as such until the late 19th century.



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 06:09 PM
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Whats with all these sAmericans lately trying to redefine left and right, fascism, nazism, socialism, communism etc ?
In the rest of the world there is no doubt what fascism,comunism,nazism,socialism is but in the US every dumb redneck has its own definition of it.
Why are Americans so obsessed by "ancient" ideologies ?



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 06:17 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: xuenchen


A party governing a nation “totalitarianly" is a new departure in history. There are no points of reference nor of comparison. From beneath the ruins of liberal, socialist, and democratic doctrines, Fascism extracts those elements which are still vital. It preserves what may be described as "the acquired facts" of history; it rejects all else. That is to say, it rejects the idea of a doctrine suited to all times and to all people. Granted that the XIXth century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the XXth century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the " right ", a Fascist century. If the XIXth century was the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the "collective" century, and therefore the century of the State. It is quite logical for a new doctrine to make use of the still vital elements of other doctrines. No doctrine was ever born quite new and bright and unheard of. No doctrine can boast absolute originality. It is always connected, it only historically, with those which preceded it and those which will follow it. Thus the scientific socialism of Marx links up to the utopian socialism of the Fouriers, the Owens, the Saint-Simons ; thus the liberalism of the XIXth century traces its origin back to the illuministic movement of the XVIIIth, and the doctrines of democracy to those of the Encyclopaedists. All doctrines aim at directing the activities of men towards a given objective; but these activities in their turn react on the doctrine, modifying and adjusting it to new needs, or outstripping it. A doctrine must therefore be a vital act and not a verbal display. Hence the pragmatic strain in Fascism, it’s will to power, its will to live, its attitude toward violence, and its value.

Source: Mussolini himself.

Xuen, are you going to keep making the same threads?


Fantastic !!

A long "quote" with no source link(s) at all !!


I quoted and linked to source in one of your duplicate threads. You have short memory.
Here's the link:
www.worldfuturefund.org...


Left Wing "Sources" and "Opinions" with no proof !!


Are you a troll? Mussolini wrote that.


Are you 100% certain ?

Start sourcing and see the real deal.


The source is from Mussolini himself. You can purchase his book if you can read Italian.


Links ?

Sources ?

I though not.


According to your logic the Founding Fathers didn't write the Constitution.
Grats.


What !!

Well that's news !!

Got any "Sources" ?



p.s. Christopher Columbus may have been a made-up character.


Maybe according to you. Maybe Hitler and Mussolini never existed. Maybe the Holocaust didn't happen.
Mind blown!


Well you're almost full circle.

90 degree tangents to 180 degree rebuttals to 270 degree "choke & gags".




posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 06:17 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: xuenchen

Well if Dinesh D'Souza says so, it must be true. And there's a ridiculous "freedom meter" to boot! Who can argue with that?

The only revisionism going on here is that of desperate propagandists from the hard right like D'Souza spewing goobledygook. Let's see Marxist, Marxists blah blah collectivists blah blah Frankfurt School blah blah leftists are NAZIS! GRRRRRR OBAMA! OBAMA! GRRRRRRRR! Buy my merch! Thanks!


That's pretty much my take away from this. Same old revisionist blame shifting. Too bad the actual writings and recordings of fascists not only exist, but are readily available.



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 06:20 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: xuenchen


A party governing a nation “totalitarianly" is a new departure in history. There are no points of reference nor of comparison. From beneath the ruins of liberal, socialist, and democratic doctrines, Fascism extracts those elements which are still vital. It preserves what may be described as "the acquired facts" of history; it rejects all else. That is to say, it rejects the idea of a doctrine suited to all times and to all people. Granted that the XIXth century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the XXth century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the " right ", a Fascist century. If the XIXth century was the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the "collective" century, and therefore the century of the State. It is quite logical for a new doctrine to make use of the still vital elements of other doctrines. No doctrine was ever born quite new and bright and unheard of. No doctrine can boast absolute originality. It is always connected, it only historically, with those which preceded it and those which will follow it. Thus the scientific socialism of Marx links up to the utopian socialism of the Fouriers, the Owens, the Saint-Simons ; thus the liberalism of the XIXth century traces its origin back to the illuministic movement of the XVIIIth, and the doctrines of democracy to those of the Encyclopaedists. All doctrines aim at directing the activities of men towards a given objective; but these activities in their turn react on the doctrine, modifying and adjusting it to new needs, or outstripping it. A doctrine must therefore be a vital act and not a verbal display. Hence the pragmatic strain in Fascism, it’s will to power, its will to live, its attitude toward violence, and its value.

Source: Mussolini himself.

Xuen, are you going to keep making the same threads?


Fantastic !!

A long "quote" with no source link(s) at all !!


I quoted and linked to source in one of your duplicate threads. You have short memory.
Here's the link:
www.worldfuturefund.org...


Left Wing "Sources" and "Opinions" with no proof !!


Are you a troll? Mussolini wrote that.


Are you 100% certain ?

Start sourcing and see the real deal.


The source is from Mussolini himself. You can purchase his book if you can read Italian.


Links ?

Sources ?

I though not.


According to your logic the Founding Fathers didn't write the Constitution.
Grats.


What !!

Well that's news !!

Got any "Sources" ?



p.s. Christopher Columbus may have been a made-up character.


Maybe according to you. Maybe Hitler and Mussolini never existed. Maybe the Holocaust didn't happen.
Mind blown!


Well you're almost full circle.

90 degree tangents to 180 degree rebuttals to 270 degree "choke & gags".


Maybe you don't exist? Maybe you're merely AI. Maybe you have successfully passed the Turing test? Maybe if you want to prove that you exist then you need to give me links and sources?



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 06:21 PM
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then the US has been fascist from the star

Thank you, so true.

We are all brothers - being divided by the ELite. Imagine if we stopped working and marched on these Parliaments and demanded an end to useless wars and crony capitalism. The problem is that politicians even if they started off with good intentions they get swallowed up or disposed of if they become a true nuisance to the Shadow controllers. They play the game and get rewarded with tax free pensions for life and extra allowances once they leave Parliament.

Or our million strong marches will be dispersed by (Stasi like-Police) infiltrators causing violence.

Theres a reason the elite cops of Aust and USA as of recent times are hooded and wear black (shades of FAscism).

Its not that they fear crooks doing payback but they fear us because we outnumber them. They get away without identification numbers and can give us a good beating and not be accountable. Remember the 1999 Seattle WTO protests?

We lived for 1000's of years without Police - look at the History and beginnings of Policing and you will see a protected class of thugs who maintain order for the Elite.
Picture Victorian England and the Gentry living in luxury while the masses were starved and sent off to Australia as convicts for stealing a loaf of bread. Look at how something minor lands someone in Jail in the US - to be exploited as slave labour making goods for corporations = look at the corruption within that Prison system

Why do they meet in secret at Bilderberger meetings. Why do the Rothschilds have an interest in every Central Bank around the World - why do they control the BIS. Our Politicians have become the PATRICIAN class beholden to their Banker Rulers.

wiki


The idea of professional policing was taken up by Sir Robert Peel when he became Home Secretary in 1822. Peel's Metropolitan Police Act 1829 established a full-time, professional and centrally-organised police force for the greater London area known as the Metropolitan Police.


PS EDIT There are a lot of honest and good Police still out there -

edit on 11-8-2017 by TheConstruKctionofLight because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 06:28 PM
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, that symbolized a magistrates power coming from the people


not from the People
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How did the Roman Senate work? The Senate of the Roman Republic was a political institution in the ancient Roman Republic. It was not an elected body, but one whose members were appointed by the consuls, and later by the censors. After a Roman magistrate served his term in office, it usually was followed with automatic appointment to the Senate.



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 06:32 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

Maybe

Maybe Not




posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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A reference was made to Orwell's Animal Farm.

A book written after his experience of the Spanish Civil War.

A war in which the Facists defeated the Spanish Republic.

With Hitlers help.

Hemingway and Orwell supported the Republic.

So did Stalin.

Socialism is not the same as Communism.

At least in the original European context.




posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 06:40 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

Theres a chilling free book you can dload off the net
I think you are a CHristian so I will say you may be interested in this.

I think these were the forces that Jesus was up against (not to discount the Sanhedrin or Rome or Herod)



Bramley - The Gods of Eden - The Chilling Truth about Extraterrestrial Infiltration and Conspiracy



I read this about 20 years ago:


Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution: The Remarkable True Story of the American Capitalists Who Financed the Russian Communists by Antony C. Sutton


A good site is this philipcoppens.com...



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 06:58 PM
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a reply to: draoicht

Yes and most South American dictatorships were instigated by the CIA - in the 50's, training would be socialists (in name only) to be good "presidentays"

www.nytimes.com...


School of the Dictators
SEPT. 28, 1996
Americans can now read for themselves some of the noxious lessons the United States Army taught to thousands of Latin American military and police officers at the School of the Americas during the 1980's. A training manual recently released by the Pentagon recommended interrogation techniques like torture, execution, blackmail and arresting the relatives of those being questioned. Such practices, which some of the school's graduates enthusiastically applied once they returned home, violate basic human rights and the Army's own rules of procedure. They also defy the professedgoals of American foreign policy and foreign military training program



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 07:15 PM
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The Third Reich later plotted to install him as a puppet monarch in the event of a British invasion, with his wife Wallis Simpson allegedly wanting to join him on the throne “at any price”.

The emergence of footage showing a young Queen, her mother and uncle has refocused attention on the abdicated king’s alleged Nazi links.

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Alleged Nazi links, sure. Nothing to see there.
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posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 07:46 AM
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It is a strange obsession of the American alt-right to try and invent this story that Fascism is purely a left wing invention and ideology. The term "left-wing fascism" was originally developed by Juergen Habermas, a radical leftist, to distinguish his political views from authoritarian leftists who follow in the Marxist-Leninist tradition. But from there the alt-right have tried to snowball it into this huge fictional thing.



While it is theoretically possible for a left wing ideology to be fascist, and that fascism itself is not inherently left or right wing, history teaches us that the vast majority of actual Fascists in the actual real world are hardline right-wingers.

All historically existing fascist states repressed labour unions, socialists, and communists.

Fascist parties have traditionally gained their votes and supporters from right wing leaning middle and upper class people.

Big business interests and corporatists have tended to form the core of support for fascist governments.

Fascists fetishise law and order, in the same way the far right do.



This whole thing really just feels like Trump supporters feeling b*tthurt that they keep getting called Fascists because Trump keeps raising a bunch of Fascist policies.



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: Painterz

All talk no sourzes !!





edit on Aug-12-2017 by xuenchen because: lockstepped



posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 08:57 AM
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Puurrrr-ice-less




posted on Aug, 12 2017 @ 09:46 AM
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There's a kink here -
Fascism used to mean Ultra-Nationalist.
Fascism can also be Ultra-Globalist (the final nation/state).
This is how the left can be fascist as they are the tools of the Globalists.
Tearing apart demographics, religion, revisionist history, self-loathing, destroying traditional norms and morals.



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