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The Definition of Fascism -- Who What Where and How they reDefined it

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posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 02:01 PM
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Here's another masterpiece by "Conservative" Dinesh D'Souza.

This is about who may have actually twisted the definition of "Fascism" into what many people believe.

Many know (or think) it's all a Left Wing agenda and always has been.

So-Called "Proof" has deflected all the definitions of Fascism onto the so called "Right".

All this "Proof" however, is a product of Left Wing mass propaganda.

Read and see who's who and how they did it.

Get all the deflections, tangents and turn-arounds on the table.

The article with some bio-info on the players.......


BIG LIAR How Theodor Adorno redefined Fascism


Fascism and Nazism are both phenomena of the left. This makes ideological sense, because at their core they represent ideologies of the centralized, all-powerful state. Moreover, fascism grew out of Marxism, and fascism’s founder Benito Mussolini, was a Marxist and lifelong socialist. Hitler, too, was a socialist who headed the National Socialist Party and in fact changed the name of the German Workers Party to make it the National Socialist German Workers Party.

How, then, did progressives in America re-define fascism and Nazism as phenomena of the right? This sleight-of-hand occurred after World War II, once fascism and Nazism were discredited with the reputation of Holocaust. Then progressives recognized it was important to cover up the leftist roots of fascism and Nazism and to move them from the left-wing column into the right-wing column.

The man most responsible for the progressive redefinition of fascism is Theodor Adorno, a German Marxist intellectual and a member of the influential Institute for Social Research, otherwise known as the Frankfurt School. The Frankfurt School scholars were leftists and most of them were refugees from Nazi Germany. Some settled in Europe; others like Adorno and Herbert Marcuse came to the United States.



May as well throw this up too .....



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posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

Lobbyist control the politicians. CEOs own the lobbyists. Corporations ARE the government!



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: xuenchen

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

Lobbyist control the politicians. CEOs own the lobbyists. Corporations ARE the government!


Mussolini probably said all that.

But he is a genuine "authority" for the "statement" ?




posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

That's fascinating!

Thanks for that!



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Mussolini himself said it was said it was right leaning centrism. Actually quite conservative.

Conservatives are right wing, correct?



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 02:13 PM
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I don't know why you lefties and righties care about where fascism lays on the spectrum...
(It's on both sides by the way)...

I mean... if you're not a fascist, why do you care?


Silly humans.



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: xuenchen

Mussolini himself said it was said it was right leaning centrism. Actually quite conservative.

Conservatives are right wing, correct?



"Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce, that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."


What about that is specifically right leaning?

Or left as hazardous said?
edit on 11-8-2017 by Bluntone22 because: Eta



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

All of it.

Conservatives doesn't just mean "american libertarians" although that is what many "american libertarians" would like to think.



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

14 Points of Fascism: The Warning Signs.

I can't cross post it in entirety but here are the bullet potins.


1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

4.) Supremacy of the Military

5.) Rampant Sexism

6.) Controlled Mass Media

7.) Obsession with National Security

8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined

9.) The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10.) Labor Power is Suppressed

11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment

13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

14. Fraudulent Elections

This was posted in 2008.

Interesting to look back over it now.

peace

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posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 02:20 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Well if Dinesh D'Souza says so, it must be true. And there's a ridiculous "freedom meter" to boot! Who can argue with that?

The only revisionism going on here is that of desperate propagandists from the hard right like D'Souza spewing goobledygook. Let's see Marxist, Marxists blah blah collectivists blah blah Frankfurt School blah blah leftists are NAZIS! GRRRRRR OBAMA! OBAMA! GRRRRRRRR! Buy my merch! Thanks!



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 02:20 PM
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What a load of drivel, kinda funny to see you folks meddle with philosphy.


In an ironic twist, the Frankfurt School, which identified this mechanism of blaming, now functions as the guilty men for those who seek someone to blame.

In the section on antisemitism they explain the ways in which myths about Jews are used by both fascism and liberal democracies to create an outsider group which can be blamed for all problems. This culminates in the Nazi theory that the world is being dominated by a Jewish conspiracy in which rich Jewish bankers finance the communists in order to bring about the dominance of finance capital over good old traditional national productivist values.

Freud is brought in here to say that hatred of the other (in this case Jews, but it can be any other group) is actually a way to mask jealousy of what they have, not in terms of wealth, but in their identifiable collective traditions and apparent social cohesion, which they maintain while the "host" nation rots away around them. Fascism is thus successful not because it is repressive but because it permits and encourages our deepest desires to find the culprit for our own complicity.

The Frankfurt school, part 3: Dialectic of Enlightenment

Ironic indeed.




posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 02:32 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

D'Sousa needs to get his facts straight.

Mussolini was kicked out of the Italian Socialist Party and switched his ideologies away from socialism, and Hitler hated socialists. The Nazis fought against them on the streets and the socialists hated National Socialism.



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 02:54 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: xuenchen

Mussolini himself said it was said it was right leaning centrism. Actually quite conservative.

Conservatives are right wing, correct?


A Left Wing source.

Surprising isn't it.




posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: xuenchen

D'Sousa needs to get his facts straight.

Mussolini was kicked out of the Italian Socialist Party and switched his ideologies away from socialism, and Hitler hated socialists. The Nazis fought against them on the streets and the socialists hated National Socialism.


Great psyops and coverup wasn't it.

"Sources" say.




posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: xuenchen

D'Sousa needs to get his facts straight.

Mussolini was kicked out of the Italian Socialist Party and switched his ideologies away from socialism, and Hitler hated socialists. The Nazis fought against them on the streets and the socialists hated National Socialism.


"Socialists" aren't supposed to hate anyone right?

Unless ....




posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 03:11 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: xuenchen

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini

Lobbyist control the politicians. CEOs own the lobbyists. Corporations ARE the government!


Mussolini probably said all that.

But he is a genuine "authority" for the "statement" ?



Considering that he headed up a fascist government, and thereby advocated for the practice, yes, he would be as much of an "authority" as might be found.



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 03:20 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Hitler was a Socialist?!?! HAHAHAHA That is rich! He literally hated communists and purged them like the Jews. I see this article uses the typical fallacy "Nazi stands for National Socialist Party therefore it is Socialist/left". That is such a stupid and simple argument... Here is how I literally counter every damn time:
If the National Socialist Party is Socialist, then you must think that the Democratic Republic of the Congo or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea are Republics



posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 03:25 PM
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Sigh... Wow.


Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism,[1][2]characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce,[3]that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5]
Fascism
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posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 03:38 PM
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It's the fascist that want to control the population especially women and the right to make their own decisions concerning their health . Right wing Sessions wanting to reinstate the war on cannabis, taking away states rights and individual decisions. And Trump bending over for the MIC and his war talk.

And the Right wing theocracy and it's war against anything non Christian.
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posted on Aug, 11 2017 @ 03:38 PM
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A party governing a nation “totalitarianly" is a new departure in history. There are no points of reference nor of comparison. From beneath the ruins of liberal, socialist, and democratic doctrines, Fascism extracts those elements which are still vital. It preserves what may be described as "the acquired facts" of history; it rejects all else. That is to say, it rejects the idea of a doctrine suited to all times and to all people. Granted that the XIXth century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the XXth century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the " right ", a Fascist century. If the XIXth century was the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the "collective" century, and therefore the century of the State. It is quite logical for a new doctrine to make use of the still vital elements of other doctrines. No doctrine was ever born quite new and bright and unheard of. No doctrine can boast absolute originality. It is always connected, it only historically, with those which preceded it and those which will follow it. Thus the scientific socialism of Marx links up to the utopian socialism of the Fouriers, the Owens, the Saint-Simons ; thus the liberalism of the XIXth century traces its origin back to the illuministic movement of the XVIIIth, and the doctrines of democracy to those of the Encyclopaedists. All doctrines aim at directing the activities of men towards a given objective; but these activities in their turn react on the doctrine, modifying and adjusting it to new needs, or outstripping it. A doctrine must therefore be a vital act and not a verbal display. Hence the pragmatic strain in Fascism, it’s will to power, its will to live, its attitude toward violence, and its value.

Source: Mussolini himself.

Xuen, are you going to keep making the same threads?



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