3 times a day does NK's secret weapon fly over the US?

After a few failed attempts and outcry from other nations that it was a test for ICBM capability the NK's now have a satellite that passes over the US at least 3 times a day. It has been discussed and dismissed by most US officials as an out of control tumbling orb but 2 have now been in orbit for over 4 years and 1 year respectively. The second twice as large as the first.

It was initially claimed by U.S. officials that the satellite was "tumbling in orbit" and that no signals had yet been detected being transmitted from it. However, it was later reported the tumbling had been brought under control and the orbit stabilized.

This means there is communication with the satellite and it can be controlled by NK.

The head of the U.S. Army Space and Missile Defense Command stated that Kwangmyongsong-4 was almost twice as large as Kwangmyongsong-3, and South Korean officials estimated the mass as 200 kilograms (440 lb)

What if our government actually knows that if we do stage any type of attack that these satellites are actually weaponized to detonate an EMP blast over parts of the US and this is what is preventing us from moving forward with a pre-emptive strike? Is the 'threat' of 1000's of weapons pointed at SK being blown out of proportion to cover up a true enemy in our skies?

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As early as 2008 it was known that they had weaponzied warheads.

Eight years ago, in 2008, the CIA's top East Asia analyst publicly stated North Korea successfully miniaturized nuclear warheads for delivery on its Nodong medium-range missile. The Nodong is able to strike South Korea and Japan or, if launched off a freighter, even the United States.

Then as recently as 2015 there were more warnings, and discussions...but still nothing has been done.

On April 7, 2015, at a Pentagon press conference, Admiral William Gortney, then Commander of North American Aerospace Defense (NORAD), responsible for protecting the U.S. from long-range missiles, warned that the intelligence community assesses North Korea's KN-08 mobile ICBM could strike the U.S. with a nuclear warhead. A

nd on October 7, 2015, Gortney again warned the Atlantic Council: "I agree with the intelligence community that we assess that they [North Koreans] have the ability, they have the weapons, and they have the ability to miniaturize those weapons, and they have the ability to put them on a rocket that can range the [U.S.] homeland."

In February and March of 2015, former senior national security officials of the Reagan and Clinton administrations warned that North Korea should be regarded as capable of delivering by satellite a small nuclear warhead, specially designed to make a high-altitude electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack against the United States. According to the Congressional EMP Commission, a single warhead delivered by North Korean satellite could blackout the national electric grid and other life-sustaining critical infrastructures for over a year—killing 9 of 10 Americans by starvation and societal collapse. Two North Korean satellites, the KMS-3 and KMS-4, presently orbit over the U.S. on trajectories consistent with surprise EMP attack

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An EMP strike on ANY part of the US would cripple the infrastructure and cause such chaos in our own country it would leave our troops around the globe extremely exposed. Taking out part of a power grid. No cell phones. Limited communication except by those in the government who would be protected.



As the days seem to tick away to what seems to be an eventual conflict with a threat to Guam this could be the ace in the hole that NK is holding over the head of the US.

If they do fire on Guam the US will have no other option other than to, as was stated by the POTUS, show him the full might of the US military. Do I want this, no, but when it is on the horizon the time for talk is over and some action must be taken.

a reply to: matafuchs

What if our government actually knows that if we do stage any type of attack that these satellites are actually weaponized to detonate an EMP blast over parts of the US and this is what is preventing us from moving forward with a pre-emptive strike? Is the 'threat' of 1000's of weapons pointed at SK being blown out of proportion to cover up a true enemy in our skies?

That would cause chaos.

In other words, I would assume that if we did launch a strike against kimmy, we'd probably go after the satellite first, as a precautionary measure.

Just do it .

Today's statement from NK:

We consider the U.S. no more than a lump which we can beat to a jelly any time,” the Korean Central News Agency said.

Maybe North Korea's confidence based upon more than what meets the eye.

Makes me wonder if the X37-B hasn't already paid these satellites a visit.

a reply to: PokeyJoe

I have always wondered if that was one of the mission while it was there. On a categorization mission of what 'weapons' are in space already.

a reply to: PokeyJoe

there must be a reason for kims confindence and it seems like hes hiding somthing. china says it will defend nk if it is attacked, speculating they are probably funding them

a reply to: matafuchs

It would be useless against US military hardware and only damage civilian infrastructure, the military circuits are hardened and as long ago as the 80's some of the US technology was not based on IC's but solid state artificial diamond valve technology, in other word's that would work even in the most extreme EMP.

The US also have silent launch system's and have had them since at least the Cold War period, as a part of the SDI regan era initiative anti hardened missile bunker and anti missile system's have now advanced far beyond anything the NK or Chinese could even believe, the US has most likely had for decades now a dark satellite network consisting of high tech kinetic drop system's capable of dropping hardened kinetic drop rod's onto ground based targets, they would impact like a small tactical nuke but are actually inert and there energy comes from the kinetic force of there impact dropped from orbit like meteorite's, they can bust deep bunkers as well but are in contravention of certain cold war treatise so will only be used in time of actual war as otherwise the US would have a lot of discussion's about this breach of treatise with there Russian counterpart's, you could call it a preemptive defense system, though the US has also likely NOT launched Nukes into orbit as that would be TOO much of a breach of that agreement they definitely have the potential to do so on the drop of a penny.

You know all of those rumored DUMB's in the US and other country's the US has supposedly built, they are not Supposed they are real and some of them at least are host to magnetic launching facility's capable of launching into orbit stealth packages without the use of chemical propellant, these silent launch system's are virtually undetectable even to satellite surveillance which would have to be looking right at the launching aperture to see them and then could likely not track the launched object into orbit, this is not make believe but real, take a look at area 51, note the narrow monorail like ground marking's, those are not just rocket sled test track's, indeed they are the exterior of old and now long disused magnetic launch system prototype mechanism's.

You really would not believe what the US really has, most of the world including there closest allies would not either but they do have it and more.

Problem with satellites, or anything in orbit, really, is that it only over specific points (targets) on the ground for a very shot period of time during each orbit, sometimes only for a couple of minutes.

Another problem with objects in orbit are that orbits are so predictable; which makes those objects relatively easy targets themselves.

a reply to: matafuchs

What if our government actually knows that if we do stage any type of attack that these satellites are actually weaponized to detonate an EMP blast over parts of the US and this is what is preventing us from moving forward with a pre-emptive strike?

What if my beard were made of green spinach?

To generate an EMP broad enough to disable communications across the North American landmass, North Korea would have had to build a nuclear weapon at least as big as the Soviet "Tsar Bomba" and got it into space without anyone noticing. All the evidence suggests that they have struggled to build even usefully-sized nuclear weapons and have a 'delivery system' that couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo.

if its a satellite it's hardly a secret weapon.
the rest is pure guesswork, should change the thread title.

Oh wow. We're concerned because North Korea has a whole 2 functioning satellites?

Do you know how many satellites the U.S. has? Because if you did, you would laugh at NK and their two satellites.

This U.S. military has at least 7 satellite systems, with anywhere from 12-31 satellites in each system. And those are only the ones I know about.
Even Corporations now have their own arrays with a lot more than two satellites in different orbits.

There's a reason NK isn't already obliterated, it's because theyre not a threat, or even a foreseeable threat.

a reply to: Jimmycrackerson3

Russia has 1324 satellite in orbit, and the US has 658.

I read a report somewhere that Russia has supplied NK with EMP equipment or what ever.

Who's to say the attack wouldn't come from a Russian satellite, on behalf of NK?

Just food for thought.

a reply to: Jimmycrackerson3

Do you have any what would happen if there a simple EMP blast of any region of the US? Realize I did not say it will take out all communications in the US. It would cause a large group of people to die and chaos across the US. A felon is shot by a cop and a city is shut down for a week. We would be at war.

This is not a laughing matter.

originally posted by: Jimmycrackerson3
Oh wow. We're concerned because North Korea has a whole 2 functioning satellites?

Do you know how many satellites the U.S. has? No you don't. Because if you did, you would laugh at NK and their two satellites.

If one of those two pathetic satellites contains a nuclear weapon that happens to detonate over the United States, we will be the proud recipients of a big ole emp.

Then the Koreans will only have one satellite.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: matafuchs

the US has most likely had for decades now a dark satellite network consisting of high tech kinetic drop system's capable of dropping hardened kinetic drop rod's onto ground based targets, they would impact like a small tactical nuke but are actually inert and there energy comes from the kinetic force of there impact dropped from orbit like meteorite's,

That's one of the coolest weapons I've heard of. No need for any explosives, just a huge piece of metal dropped from orbit.

Crazy.

a reply to: audubon

Again, I said nothing about a weapon the size of a Tzar bomb. An EMP detonation anywhere in the mainland US would cause such havoc and disarray it would takes months to recover. No communication. No electricity. This is not about the military being prepared it is people like you and me.

The elderly, sick and hospitalized would be the first to go. The first day and the weeks to follow it would only get worse. Lots of medicines need refrigeration. As does food. The US and its average citizen are nowhere near prepared for something like this.

Think what you want. I am simply giving idea for real convesation not whether your beard is green or brown....

a reply to: Bluntone22

this is a question. has anyone heard about a prophecy of iran russa and nk uniting to attack the usa? i thought i heard years ago a prophecy of iran russia and nk uniting. or was it china and iran and russia. i cant remember. usa said to have allies as well.

a reply to: Bhadhidar

No one was prepared for 9/11 either. If they think it is not a threat and it becomes a threat there is no defense.

a reply to: lizardghost

Russia would not do that. They have China on their border and that is another story in of itself. Iran, China and the NK? That is another story.