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How Can We Help Trump at Midterms?

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posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 12:53 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: Dudemo5
If you want to help him, vote DEM. The Republicans clearly can't get anything done AT ALL. They are a broken, fragmented party. They've gerrymandered their districts to the point that little enclaves of politicians who can't lose now exist, and they will not work toward mutually agreeable goals with the rest of their party.

Of course, there is the little problem that a DEM Congress will probably impeach Trump and remove him from office. But let's be honest. At this rate, there's a real good chance that's going to happen regardless of which party controls Congress, whether he colluded with Russia or not.


Voting Dem won't help Trump or his agenda.

You may have missed the point of my OP...do you have anything to add that would actually help him accomplish his agenda?

We already know Democrats won't help.


He doesn't really have an agenda. At least, not one built on specific, granular details. He's not a "details" guy, is he?

You mean building the wall and getting Mexico to pay for it?
You mean repealing and replacing the ACA?
You mean meaningful tax reform?

There is nothing you can do to help him accomplish these things. Literally nothing.

Except maybe tell him to get off his ass and actually get behind legislation in a meaningful way and try to sell it to the American people in a way that doesn't involve tweeting nonsense to motivate his base.

You know WHY Congress couldn't get the ACA repealed?

Because Congress was LISTENING to their constituents. They were hearing almost entirely from people who DID NOT WANT THE ACA REPEALED in any of the ways they were proposing.

Trump didn't do very much to get people motivated. I mean, it's kinda hard when every day he's distracting the news cycle with goofy tweets and unforced mistakes. Seriously, this guy isn't a serious force for any legislative change.
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posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 12:57 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Metallicus


Republicans passing a middle-class tax cut would help A LOT. Democrat leaders, in concert with the Liberal MSM, are also helping.



I completely agree.

Term limits and tax cuts will help, but the problem is he can't do any of it with all the Globalist a-holes in Congress. We need to send a message to Congress without making it worse.


Hopefully there will be some REAL Republicans running against the many FAKE ones in office now. Plus, a few Democrats in the House/Senate will be replaced by Republicans in 2018. But I don't know if Obama was better for Republicans growing their base, or will Trump be better.



posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 12:58 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

They can both sod off. Parties got us where we are today.



posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 01:03 AM
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Previously, most Senators and Representatives have been able to keep their motives and agendas hidden.

Now that they are being forced to expose themselves, Trump could really help by vouching for some honest Conservatives to run in the next Republican primaries.

Major lobby reform would take most of the temptation out of the job to keep those elected honest.



posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 01:07 AM
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originally posted by: Dudemo5

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Dudemo5
If you want to help him, vote DEM.


If that statement wasn't so sad, it would be hilarious.
We want to help Trump make the country better, not flush it farther down the sh!tter by voting Demwits.


The truth is, the country will be better if our politicians govern toward the middle. Unfortunately, political discourse in this country has driven the most vocal among us (especially on the internet) into camps of Left or Right. Our politicians are following suit, especially in the ultra-gerrymandered districts where they only cater to conservatives.

Purple districts have been gerrymandered practically out of existence.

The real solution to this is to end closed primaries and put an end to politically motivated districting.

But if that can't happen, at least a DEM Congress would be forced to put together more "middle of the road" legislation if they wanted Trump to sign it.

In a less partisan world, anyway. To be honest, I'm not sure it's even possible in this environment.



You would have better luck finding a purple unicorn especially with the divisiveness that the Dems/Leftists spew on a continuous basis.
Voting more of them would be utterly useless. After all, the Dems are experts at gerrymandering considering all the effort they put in to getting the inner city vote across the country.



posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 01:09 AM
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originally posted by: Dudemo5

You know WHY Congress couldn't get the ACA repealed?

Because Congress was LISTENING to their constituents. They were hearing almost entirely from people who DID NOT WANT THE ACA REPEALED in any of the ways they were proposing.

Trump didn't do very much to get people motivated. I mean, it's kinda hard when every day he's distracting the news cycle with goofy tweets and unforced mistakes. Seriously, this guy isn't a serious force for any legislative change.


I know there is a huge push to flood town hall meetings by liberals. You think that swayed Congress?

I think most people have spoken for several years now, and Congress voting to repeal ACA some 50 odd times gave them confidence that their voices were heard. This should have been a shoe in.



posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 01:10 AM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: carewemust

They can both sod off. Parties got us where we are today.


What system should replace them? I think it would be neat if Americans voted for all the big stuff online. Trump suggests a 15% tax rate. America votes for 24 hours. If it's 60% yes, IRS lawyers write it up, and its implemented instantly...or retroactively to the first of the year!



posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 01:12 AM
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originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Dudemo5

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Dudemo5
If you want to help him, vote DEM.


If that statement wasn't so sad, it would be hilarious.
We want to help Trump make the country better, not flush it farther down the sh!tter by voting Demwits.


The truth is, the country will be better if our politicians govern toward the middle. Unfortunately, political discourse in this country has driven the most vocal among us (especially on the internet) into camps of Left or Right. Our politicians are following suit, especially in the ultra-gerrymandered districts where they only cater to conservatives.

Purple districts have been gerrymandered practically out of existence.

The real solution to this is to end closed primaries and put an end to politically motivated districting.

But if that can't happen, at least a DEM Congress would be forced to put together more "middle of the road" legislation if they wanted Trump to sign it.

In a less partisan world, anyway. To be honest, I'm not sure it's even possible in this environment.



You would have better luck finding a purple unicorn especially with the divisiveness that the Dems/Leftists spew on a continuous basis.
Voting more of them would be utterly useless. After all, the Dems are experts at gerrymandering considering all the effort they put in to getting the inner city vote across the country.


Both parties would love to gerrymander to their favor. The difference is that "operation red map" was more successful than any previous attempt at politically motivated districting because the stats have gotten so much better. And if the DEMS have control when it's time to redistrict the next time around, it'll be "operation blue map," which will be just as damaging to the country.

Districts should be drawn along real community lines, not imaginary ones to favor one party or the other.

Our only hope is that the Supreme Court decision this October produces a much more strident ruling than anyone is expecting.
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posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 01:13 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

Issue basis would be a great idea.

Having 2 parties dictate one of two possible value sets is an impossible argument.



posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 01:13 AM
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originally posted by: AutonomousMeatPuppet

originally posted by: Dudemo5

You know WHY Congress couldn't get the ACA repealed?

Because Congress was LISTENING to their constituents. They were hearing almost entirely from people who DID NOT WANT THE ACA REPEALED in any of the ways they were proposing.

Trump didn't do very much to get people motivated. I mean, it's kinda hard when every day he's distracting the news cycle with goofy tweets and unforced mistakes. Seriously, this guy isn't a serious force for any legislative change.


I think most people have spoken for several years now, and Congress voting to repeal ACA some 50 odd times gave them confidence that their voices were heard. This should have been a shoe in.


Been going through self-administered anger reduction hypnosis, due to that big Republican let down. You just set me back 2 weeks!



posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 01:16 AM
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originally posted by: AutonomousMeatPuppet

originally posted by: Dudemo5

You know WHY Congress couldn't get the ACA repealed?

Because Congress was LISTENING to their constituents. They were hearing almost entirely from people who DID NOT WANT THE ACA REPEALED in any of the ways they were proposing.

Trump didn't do very much to get people motivated. I mean, it's kinda hard when every day he's distracting the news cycle with goofy tweets and unforced mistakes. Seriously, this guy isn't a serious force for any legislative change.


I know there is a huge push to flood town hall meetings by liberals. You think that swayed Congress?

I think most people have spoken for several years now, and Congress voting to repeal ACA some 50 odd times gave them confidence that their voices were heard. This should have been a shoe in.


The problem is they didn't really have a plan. And like I said, the various factions within the Republican party (bolstered in many cases by wildly gerrymandered districts) will not play ball with the rest of the party.

So, they ended up cobbling together a crappy plan that went against what Trump had promised. (It'll be great healthcare, belee me.)

And the constituents in these districts did not want what they came up with.

If the politicians had felt it was just liberals, and that the outrage was manufactured, I highly doubt they would have been swayed.

They put together a crap plan that nobody wanted.

And Trump did crap-all to sell it.



posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 01:16 AM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: carewemust

Issue basis would be a great idea.

Having 2 parties dictate one of two possible value sets is an impossible argument.


Especially now, since HATE is the most powerful emotion within Congress. Used to be duty, loyalty, integrity.



posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 01:20 AM
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The American people should give the Republicans a mandate to govern, under threat of throwing them all out and going entirely Democrat from top to bottom.

It will all swing back again, only problem is that the Democratic party is contaminated by the place where the left meets the left hand path and the Machiavellian machinations of the likes of Saul Alinsky who dedicated his book, Obama's handbook "Rules for Radicals" to the devil.

This is the problem and it runs through establishment Republicans as well.

The best thing you could do would be to come to power yourself, and/or supporting newcomers who share your ideals, and staying with it for a generation to see the change and transformation begin.

It's an idea whose time has come.



posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 01:32 AM
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a reply to: Dudemo5

They had the option to repeal, they voted not to. That was what they were supposed to do.

They really showed their true colors. So now we have a better idea of who is honest.

I'd like to see Trump (and Rand Paul) get involved with picking replacements for anyone up for reelection. That's the only way I would really get motivated. Right now, I assume all candidates are corrupt and looking for a payday at our expense. I'm not very enthusiastic to throw my vote in as a crap shoot.



posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 01:36 AM
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originally posted by: AutonomousMeatPuppet
a reply to: Dudemo5

They had the option to repeal, they voted not to. That was what they were supposed to do.

They really showed their true colors. So now we have a better idea of who is honest.

I'd like to see Trump (and Rand Paul) get involved with picking replacements for anyone up for reelection. That's the only way I would really get motivated. Right now, I assume all candidates are corrupt and looking for a payday at our expense. I'm not very enthusiastic to throw my vote in as a crap shoot.




Trump promised a repeal and replace. The people in their districts did not want the replacements they came up with, and they didn't want the straight repeal either.

They were listening to their constituents.

Maybe they could come up with a plan their constituents want, but I find this to be unlikely given the ham-handed nonsense they came up with this time around.



posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 01:39 AM
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originally posted by: Dudemo5

originally posted by: AutonomousMeatPuppet
a reply to: Dudemo5

They had the option to repeal, they voted not to. That was what they were supposed to do.

They really showed their true colors. So now we have a better idea of who is honest.

I'd like to see Trump (and Rand Paul) get involved with picking replacements for anyone up for reelection. That's the only way I would really get motivated. Right now, I assume all candidates are corrupt and looking for a payday at our expense. I'm not very enthusiastic to throw my vote in as a crap shoot.




Trump promised a repeal and replace. The people in their districts did not want the replacements they came up with, and they didn't want the straight repeal either.

They were listening to their constituents.

Maybe they could come up with a plan their constituents want, but I find this to be unlikely given the ham-handed nonsense they came up with this time around.


Republicans followed the wishes of their constituents..the people who ELECTED THEM TO REPEAL OBAMACARE....by voting for STRAIGHT REPEAL, FIFTY-TWO TIMES, between 2010 and 2015.

SAME Republicans representing the SAME Constituents, couldn't do the same thing ONE MORE TIME! Disgusting.


Like Senator Orrin Hatch said Monday, the Republicans have "SHOT THEIR WAD".

www.businessinsider.com...
edit on 8/9/2017 by carewemust because: Added Hatch Comment



posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 02:17 AM
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How to help Trump? Hire me as an advisor. End statements about North Korea unless he wants to tell everyone what his plans are. Clear all tweets through another adviser before being released to the public. Work on and get tax relief done before health care. Then do a study of how a system might work without insurance that the government pays directly to providers for care received cutting out all the payments to insurance companies.

Cut required premiums for the people getting care unless they opt for extra programs they want covered. Allow larger HSA accounts for everyone. Don't threaten to end payments people count on to pay their premiums unless a replacement plan with less expensive premiums is already in place. In other words on a government plan, the people pay the government and then medical care providers are paid.

Then after getting all this done work on fixing the problem with social security , Medicare, etc with over 100 trillion in liabilities coming due that we can't pay. Explain the truth to the people. We can't continue as is because if we do,all Paymemts for all entitlement programs will suddenly be slashed over 20% when the money runs out in less than 13 years or so. Explain that to avoid this we need to change the system. Tax increases on those who are richer and can pay more, benefit cuts, and spending cuts on possibly other programs such as defense. Of course congress won't want to do much of this. They get paid by insurance company lobbyists. Raising the social security tax is against what republicans believe. Raising any kind of tax is contrary to republicans belief system.

I just know the Canadians get a lot more for their taxes they pay than we do. We also pay a lot for health care on top of taxes. We have a lot of smart people in this country. We can come up with a better more sound system and stop threatening to blow up countries like north Korea. I wouldn't threaten. I would position forces for a strike and do it if I thought it was reasonable to protect our well being. Don't make statements you don't intend to follow up with right away. The stock market sold off several points today making a threat. North Korea crossed the line in less than one hour making Trump lose credibility since at a minimum it may take at least 6 months to allow sanctions to work and get all the forces in place. I could be wrong though if a strike takes place next month.

Oh another thing, come up with disaster plans to reassure the American public that almost everyone won't die if our power gets nuked or an emp takes it down. One year without power has a 90% death rate per American studies.

Plus remove executive orders enacted by former presidents allowing the government to confiscate food, energy, supplies, labor or whatever the government wants for any reason in war or peace time. That makes us subjects, not citizens of a free country. It takes away all of our rights to keep what we worked for and saved for. End the ability of our government to arrest people and detain them indefinitely without trial if they are American.

That's how I would help Trump.

You could also end Obamacare by creating a new plan that cuts out insurance companies that anyone could opt into and not be held accountable for any tax penalties after opting out of existing plans. If premiums are cheaper, insurance companies might drop their premiums real fast to stay in business. Premiums could be paid by the government if unemployed or they have no job or very low income. Consider this tax relief for the poor. After that, consider a small payroll tax that would cover workers health care. If the plan was really good, everyone would want the same plan. Congress would get the same plan.
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posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 03:39 AM
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originally posted by: AutonomousMeatPuppet
Previously, most Senators and Representatives have been able to keep their motives and agendas hidden.

Now that they are being forced to expose themselves, Trump could really help by vouching for some honest Conservatives to run in the next Republican primaries.

Major lobby reform would take most of the temptation out of the job to keep those elected honest.


You make some excellent points here.

Trump has exposed the RINOs and now is the time to defeat them in the primaries and send people that want to put America first to Washington.



posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 03:44 AM
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a reply to: AnkhMorpork

Adding more Democrats will never help Trump. They are going to stick to the same failed policies of the last eight years.

We need to undo the damage Obama did to America and then focus on making things better for the American middle class. We should focus on infrastructure and jobs and eliminate the failed social programs like Obamacare.

We need to stop focusing on identity politics which is not doing anything productive. All it does is divide people and foment hatred.

Making sure the economy is strong is the way for all Americans to get ahead and reach their dreams.


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posted on Aug, 9 2017 @ 04:40 AM
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A nursing home and Ativan. Seriously. Help us all.



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