Marijuana devastated Colorado, don’t legalize it nationally

I agree with the others, alcohol is the bigger problem, and always has been. Mj however has traditionally been used for healing of cancers amongst other diseases. Moderation is theKey.

One of the problems here is in a society driven by money, greed and on some level, a lack of compassion, society begins to break down. Example: James works his ass off, heavy lifting, working with steel he's tired and needs a break, but the taxes are well, taxing so there's not much left over. Ah but despair not, there's alcohol! It's dirt cheap and easy to get right? One problem though, it's killing people. I believe there are big changes needed right now, cures that are being suppressed or just too damn expensive for the average joe to afford. But alcohol a known killer, is easily accessible to all.

In 2013, of the 72,559 liver disease deaths among individuals ages 12 and older, 45.8 percent involved alcohol. Among males, 48.5 percent of the 46,568 liver disease deaths involved alcohol. Among females, 41.8 percent of the 25,991 liver disease deaths involved alcohol.

Among all cirrhosis deaths in 2013, 47.9 percent were alcohol related. The proportion of alcohol-related cirrhosis was highest (76.5 percent) among deaths of persons ages 25–34, followed by deaths of persons aged 35–44, at 70.0 percent.

In 2009, alcohol-related liver disease was the primary cause of almost 1 in 3 liver transplants in the United States. Drinking alcohol increases the risk of cancers of the mouth, esophagus, pharynx, larynx, liver, and breast.

So to say that marijuana is a dangerous life destroying substance would be incredibly ignorant. Ignorance isn't always bliss, it can kill you.

I think the demographic is interesting. People have been screaming for years that these groups are disproportionately discriminated against in incarceration rates.

NOPE.

a reply to: feldercarb

Last week, Senator Cory Booker introduced the Marijuana Justice Act in an effort to legalize marijuana across the nation and penalize local communities that want nothing to do with this dangerous drug

Just gotta love those Democrats.....I mean really? A federal law that would penalize local communities that won't accept national legalization? "Obey, Obey, Obey, or we'll stomp your head!"

As for the rest of the article, I really question the numbers of marijuana arrests going up for minorities. And I'd have to think that over time, in addition to the tax revenue, the State and local governments will save money as more stoner kids drop out of school............you need fewer teachers, administrators and schools!

originally posted by: coop039

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Good point, you don't see anyone at work showing up drunk, just because it's legal...so why would it happen with weed?

Im sure people show up with alcohol in their system. I used to work with a group who got high during lunch, every day. Functional stoners and functional alcoholics are out there more than we think.

If you eat enough of the poison sugar, you get a ferocious yeast infection which will essentially manufacture enough alcohol to get and keep you drunk.

As far as being high on the job, there's this freak on leaffly whose job deacriprion stipulates that he get pummeled on weed, and do little else after that. I am not even sure if he can muster the dopamine to slap his thighs in time with "Hole lotta Love".

He starts each day by donning a fresh tie dye and combing drool from his face thatch.
Once settled at work, he snacks on some edibles, then he does a gram of shatter. Next, some wax. Finally, he is ready to give an unbiased review. An assistant helps him to the couch, where there's a bag of funyons and a master remote and a bong. Now it's time to shoot the Blue Dream review. He does a huge hit and spills more smoke than I have seen since last November when I found a gram of real, and two and a half klonazapams and a xanax with chew marks, in a jar labeled 'fish oil' which was laying in the gutter, just waiting for me to kick it and hear something rattle inside.

He smirks, and prepares another hit, this one even more copious, flames up, and this time almost vomits. After a protracted vacant stare, he remembers the funyons and thoughtfully places one in his mouth, like a sacrament.
A hand is seen placing an envelope on the table before him, which he seizes upon, almost losing his balance, and rapaciously opens. Is it Friday already? Maybe he will do something after all, if he can just break this couch lock. Then he gives his thoughts on the Blue Dream, warning that this cultivar has a body high bias which might cause problems if you use it in public unless you have a reasonable expectation of privacy and a safe place to hang your clothes before you take a little snooze. To balance out the effects he suggests having an emergency gram of certified sativa shatter at the ready, in a pen vape.

So really, there's no issue with folks being high at work, so long as they bring the right tools.

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a reply to: feldercarb

Jeff Hunt is the Vice President of Public Policy at Colorado Christian University.

This probably explains a lot right there.

a reply to: conscientiousobserver

I get it trust me. My point is for those that need to think about why controlling substances is always better.

Not every state or dispensary is equal however. They have found lots of things in products thanks to regulation.

But a beginner taking a tincture that is more potent per drop is not a rookie smoker issue. I know life long folks who have never used a tincture. But to your point again a regulated market would explain that to the consumer.

probably needs to be instigated nationally to work smoothly. same rules for all states. i am firmly pro-legalisation.

According to the Colorado Department of Public Safety, arrests in Colorado of black and Latino youth for marijuana possession have increased 58% and 29% respectively after legalization. This means that Black and Latino youth are being arrested more for marijuana possession after it became legal.

A simple question.

How's it legal if people are being arrested for marijuana possession?


Do people get arrested for having booze?

a reply to: coop039

I understand...however the rate of incidences will not increase due to legalization Id wager

a reply to: TheWhiteKnight

Lol thanks for that!

Reefer madness rears its ugly head again. The devotees are just sure that every human, even those who have never had the slightest inclination toward weed is going to run out and become a pothead just because it has been made legal. Mercy me, DARE was apparently as successful with their lies as Reefer Madness.
The Bible thumpers need to read it instead of thumping it.

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Good point, you don't see anyone at work showing up drunk, just because it's legal...so why would it happen with weed?

Great point. As for myself, work is the LAST place I would want to be when I get stoned. If I were the type of person that likes to "get stoned", that is. Lol 😮

I call bullsh#t..tremendously bigly.

a reply to: feldercarb

I have never known anyone stoned to hurt anyone else.

My bet is that there are a multitude of other reasons rather than Marijuana responsible for this supposed devastation.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Or not know how strong it is.

I don't like to chug a pint of vodka after work if I meet someone for a beer. I like knowing it's a beer and I can most likely operate my body fine after one. Vs, I wonder if it's a beer or 190 proof.

So you've never smoked before. Cool story. While there is weed that is stronger in potency, it also takes no time at all to hit you, so you take a small sip instead of throwing back the bottle. In the worst case scenario, you can still do everything and function fine even if you feel like you're too high, it will not impair your coordination. You might have a mild headache and just feel tired, you're not going to be stumbling all over the place or talking like Tommy Chong.

Weed doesn't change you, or really impair you. It does not make you stupid or unsafe to operate machinery. It does not make you violent. And in fact, I smoke every day, throughout the day and nobody can even tell I'm high. Legit, I work in peoples homes and have lengthy conversations with them and bring home buckets of tip money on the regs.

Everything you think you know about weed, you don't. It's propaganda, and weed movies are just comedies that are based on the stereotypes held by those that don't smoke. I also can't tell the last time I met someone in the age range of 20-45 that doesn't smoke, so it's way more popular than people want you to believe, so you're likely interacting with people high on weed regularly and don't even know it.

Also; side note. I was an angry person BEFORE I started smoking weed. I was easily set off and irritated and I got into a lot of fights while I was in school. I haven't punched a single person outside of martial arts since I started smoking, I've even been hit, and just laughed and left. It's not a tranquilizer -- but it does help your cognition and control emotion. Weed smokers aren't angry people... they just aren't.

originally posted by: luthier
How about the safety issue? Shouldn't you know how strong it is and what is in it?

Wonder who payed for the opinion.

Apologies, I misread your original post. You were on the side of legal MJ, not against.

To that point:

Most legal marijuana products from California or Colorado have in depth product information on the labeling. For example, virtually all edible marijuana food from there now has everything from the exact amount of THC (active drug) to even fats, carbs, and calories..

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: feldercarb

I have never known anyone stoned to hurt anyone else.

My bet is that there are a multitude of other reasons rather than Marijuana responsible for this supposed devastation.

It's actually directly associated with the increase of heroin usage. So all the weed dealers got put out of business, so some of them started selling heroin and other prescription drugs on the black market. Heroin is blowing up all over the country, but the violent crime and theft and vandalism is proportionate to the increase of heroin overdoses in the CO.

Heroin is dangerous and highly addictive and will make people steal irreplaceable family heirlooms from their own family just so they don't suffer the DT's, or withdrawal. People get shot and stabbed and murdered regularly over heroin, people don't get shot, stabbed, or murdered regularly over marijuana. In fact it never happens, when it does happen, it's always over money, not the product -- so someone might get shot for stealing $25,000 worth of marijuana plants -- but nobody is ever getting shot over picking up a quarter ounce.

AG Jeff Sessions knows this is true, which is why he keeps spouting out anti-weed propaganda that lumps it in the same category as opiates. He even essentially in plain English said weed was an opiate -- because opiates do cause the problems he wants people to associate with weed. It very literally is refer madness in 2017.

originally posted by: feldercarb
I found this USA today opinion piece via Yahoo. The author makes claims that the aims of legalizing Marijuana have not been meet but actually made things worse. He states that the arrest rates for blacks and latinos have gone up for marijuana possession in Colorado. Also, he claims that studies show that marijuana use is causing minority students to fail courses in universities in Colorado. As for additional tax revenue, the author claims that marijuana has only brought in less than 1.5% additional tax revenue. Take a look at the article and tell me what you think.


Marijuana devastated Colorado, don't legalize it nationally

This is silly. Marijuana has always been available, for anyone that wanted it. Especially from Colorado to California.

Also, ask an actual addiction medicine specialist doctor (an expert on such topics), and he/she/it will tell you that marijuana is factually one of the safest drugs out there, medically speaking. All the evidence is there: scientifically, addiction-wise, medically. One of the lowest toxic envelopes known to man (means virtually impossible to OD), very low addiction coefficient, little physical or mental health damage, if any.

Why don't you call out semi legal opiod drugs that are factually far worse on all fronts, from overdose to addiction?

Or how about alcohol, which is also factually far worse than marijuana on all fronts.

Then of course there are the crime elements. The only reason there is crime related to marijuana is due to illegal sales and related problems.

With other drugs such as harder drugs or alcohol, it wasn't just prohibition that caused crimes. Alcohol and other drugs actually can CAUSE people to commit crimes under the influence, for example getting in bar fights and accidently killing someone, or psychosis from harder drugs. The stats speak for themselves.

Marijuana has very little non-trafficking related violent crime, whereas these other drugs have lots of drug-related crime not just related to trafficking or turf wars.

a reply to: SRPrime

The only way Hash is a gateway drug is regarding coming off other far worse and more toxic substances.

Heroin is indeed dangerous where as Marijuana is a herb, never mind a useful one at that.

Of course people are perfectly at liberty to believe what you wish.