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originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: StandingTallForChrist
I was just watching the film about Lee Strobel's "The Case for Christ" where he goes from atheist to Christian. But so did C.S. Lewis and his wife, Joy, Nicky Gumbel, Malcom Muggeridge, Alexander Solzhenitsyn and Peter Hitchens amongst many others. You are in fairly good company.
I'm a fairly conservative and traditional Christian with a background in the sciences.
I believe that science is a revelation of God. It is an investigation of His handiwork, because there is discoverable order in the universe it couldn't arise from randomness as some have foolishly suggested.
I'm not exactly driving a wedge between being a young earth creationist nor a deep time believer. I think that there are certain conditions where different views of the same events are on different time scales because of the Lorentz contraction (especially close to the singularity or possibly from God's perspective).
Here's my thread on it: One answer to the dilemma of a seven day creation vs Scientific views of creation.
I also don't say that God does not use evolution as a mechanism for biological change, I believe evolution can shed light on biodiversity. I just don't believe that God is limited to only that method of introducing biological change. As far as actual origins go, evolution really doesn't explain how life started, only how it might change once it exists, but even then, I don't think evolution explains biodiversity fully. IMHO there are lots of mechanisms of biological genetic change that aren't covered in evolutionary processes.
Evolution also does not encompass co-operative defences against natural selection (as Julian Huxley said of the MES, "natural selection is red in tooth and claw"). Nor does it encompass future directed biological change through genetic engineering. I feel that some Christian interpreters as well as scientists are limited severely in believing that what we are now is all there is and all there will be. God's plan has got to be 'mind blowingly' bigger than that.
The truth is, if life arises through chemical abiogenesis and changes through evolution (and somehow speciation is overcome), then it is a miracle from a wise and creative God anyway. The whole universe tells of His glory.
Can someone explain the flag system por favor????
originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist
a reply to: mOjOm
You might ask, so how do you know the Earth isn't Billions of years old? I am glad you asked.
Billions of years was only proposed when the Theory of Evolution failed at the Millions of years mark... it needed more time to be plausible (which by the way it has never become).
Former Atheist turned Born Again Christian
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: interupt42
The truth is no one can prove one way or the other. This is why we call it faith. A lot of atheists (not all) are simply in a form of denial about it, not that they don't believe, we get that, but that they don't have faith -- they do, faith that there is nothing. Agnosticism admits they have no firm faith on way or the other.
originally posted by: StandingTallForChrist
But not us pesky Humans... THE MOST HIGHLY EVOLVED creatures on EARTH. Our human babies are completely helpless FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. This is not a trait that would be passed on through evolution... We should pop out of our mothers and be running within a few days. But that's only if evolution were true, which it is not.
Many people think Christians are arrogant, and I don't claim I am not. But what is more arrogant than a group of people who study science which has been around earth for what... a few hundred years? And have done nothing but change their minds over and over and over... and to have THAT group of people claim they know how Humans arrived on earth...
Better yet, they can tell you how old the universe IS and how it all came to be. That my friends is PURE ARROGANCE.
I am happy to have learned about the Big Bang theory... it marked another instance of Science FINALLY coming around to what the Bible has been teaching ALL ALONG.
But what is more arrogant than a group of people who study science which has been around earth for what... a few hundred years? And have done nothing but change their minds over and over and over..