Did Hillary Scapegoat Russia to Save Her Campaign?

a reply to: Grambler
The people who think Trump colluded with Russia are the EXACT same people who think Hillary killed Seth rich or w/e other treasoness email conspiracy ATS likes to peddle. Both stupid things to think without evidence.

The idea that political ideologies are like horse shoes, the far right and far left are actually closer politically than any other group. They're just too blinded by their ideology to see the similarities.

you're argument is that intelligence agencies could be wrong, even the top 4 all at once? Allegations and assumptions makes an a$$ out of you...just you lol.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Grambler

Personally, I think the DNC server has become a useful distraction from Trump's issues.

We were told by Comey that the Russians hacked hundreds, possibly thousands, of systems and worked with them to protect those systems. We were also told that while the FBI did not have access to the DNC server, Crowdstrike was able to provide the FBI with very specific forensic information that led them to conclude they were hacked by the same people that were hacking all those other systems. So the DNC server is just a speck among a canvas of numerous specks on that issue.

In the end, the server is irrelevant because it has nothing to do with the current issues Trump and friends are facing. The server has nothing to do with the meetings that took place between Trump people and the Russians. It has nothing to do with Trump deciding to fire Comey. And on and on...

I disagree.

The idea that Russia hacked the DNC is not only the impetus for every single Trump russsia collsion story and investigation, it is the most serious allegation by a long shot.

In fact all of the other things you mention, such as Trump jr.s and other meetings were committed by DNC people to; like the hiring of a Russian connected firm, Fusion GPS, to dig up dirt on Trump. So why no 24/67 media coverage and special investigation into this?

The reason is it all stems from the idea Russia hacked the DNC.

The server is not irrelevant; it is the most crucial piece of evidence proving all of these allegations.

If the FBI would outsource the investigation into trump, or Flynn, or Kushners digital devices to a private firm connected to the RNC, you would be outraged.

But you are ok with it in this case for some reason.

And lets not forget Crowdstrike immediately had the same song and dance after their assessment here about Russians hacking the Ukraine, and they were wrong. So why would we assume they are right here?

You better stop with all that common sense....It's not welcome while bashing the President...

originally posted by: GokuVsSuperman0
a reply to: Grambler


you're argument is that intelligence agencies could be wrong, even the top 4 all at once? Allegations and assumptions makes an a$$ out of you...just you lol.

And yet you are assuming they are right in their allegation it was Russia, so you know what you are making yourself to be.

The IC has been wrong before; Iraq, Libya, etc.

And with the IC admitting that they did not look at the evidence, and instead relied on Crowdstrike, which was proven wrong in the very next investigation they had blaming Russia, why should we believe them?

Perhaps you would like to take a crack at the question posed; why would the FBI rely on a third party and refuse to look at the server themselves?

a reply to: Grambler

i totally agree with you i too have been saying if dnc servers were hacked why haven't they let fbi cyber forensic team examine them that is their job and why if comey/mueller was investigating this did they not get a warrant and deoze these servers if dnc refused to hand them over
what evidence of criminal activity are hidden on these servers?

a reply to: Grambler

In the book about the hillary campaign "Shattered" they admit that it was all concocted by the Hillary campaign.

a reply to: Grambler

Because comey is good buddies with the crowdstrike founder, alperovitch.

Yes

a reply to: GuidedKill

Yea all the FBI, CIA and NSA all being in a vast illuminati type conspiracy to set trump up makes "common sense.."

Espeacially since we know Jr AND Kushner AND trumps campaign chairmen went to a meeting with Russia agents specifically to collude ....

That's some weird common sense you have going there...

a reply to: Grambler

Every thing you have said..

Fusion gps hasn't been even remotely confirmed.. it's a story from one right wing source without a single reporter on the payroll..

www.google.com...

Buzzfeed even did a story on it...maybe not a 100% valid news source, but no valid news source is running stories about it..



EVERYTHING Have claimed about Russia not being the ones who hacked the DNC...

The ONLY ones saying that are right wing conspiracy sites..



In fact didn't you claim to personally have knowledge of it because of some obscure group your part of??? (If I'm confusing posters I apologize)

That's not a media source... that sounds way more like..

"I don't have insider info but have no better argument.."


Either every long standing news source with actual accountability AND all 3 intelligence agencies are in a vast conspiracy against trump.. that's thousands of independent owners and individuals all risking it all to set up trump WITHOUT a democrat in power to protect them..

Or trump and a hand full of conspiracy sites that regularly post stories about angels and pizzagate are.. conspiracy sites that don't even employ investigative journalists... they are just compilation sites that copy paste MSM stories.. after twisting them of course..

It's all about logistics.. what would it take to actually pull both of those off???


It would take a literal illuminati for trump to be innocent..

a reply to: proteus33

The FBI said it was the Russians who hacked the DNC....
The FBI did NOT SAY;
"We are not sure who hacked it because the dnc won't let us examine the servers.. "


The only ones reporting that the DNC refused to let them check it are right wing conspiracy sites..

a reply to: Dfairlite

According to who??

A right wing conspiracy site right??

One without a single investigative journalist on the payroll...

One that has never once fired someone for publishing a fake story...


Hmm how credible...

Either there is a grand conspiracy in every branch of government and the global media that absolutely controls the message on all wavelengths, in which case, how are we even having this discussion? Why hasn't ATS been shut down?

Or, Trump and his team did something dodgy enough that it at least warrants investigation.


Why are people so afraid of an investigation anyway? If he's innocent, he has nothing to hide, and investigations will prove that.

originally posted by: Painterz
Either there is a grand conspiracy in every branch of government and the global media that absolutely controls the message on all wavelengths, in which case, how are we even having this discussion? Why hasn't ATS been shut down?

Or, Trump and his team did something dodgy enough that it at least warrants investigation.


Why are people so afraid of an investigation anyway? If he's innocent, he has nothing to hide, and investigations will prove that.

Every post on this thread from people defending the Russia trump collusion story has totally ignored the op.

It's like you are all getting talking points or somethings.

I have no problem with an investigation.

So why didn't the investigators look at the most important piece of evidence, the server?

Why are you and the dnc so afraid of investigating that?

If there was collusion during the campaign between Trump and Russia and there was real proof it would have been levied THAT DAY during the election. I mean, where are all the rape victims now? Or the ones groped by Trump? Amazing how it all vanished and went away once the election was over. Smoke and mirrors. It is amazing to still here Anti-Trumpers saying he is racist or that he mocked the disabled. All media and social media meme talking points. If anyone tried to sway the election this time it was Facebook, Twitter and every news outlet except Fox News.

HRC and her campaign manager have dealt with Russia for decades. In all honestly...who cares! It is business. Just like in WW2 when Allies were making weapons and supplies used by their enemies. It is big business.

Russia is not our friend nor our enemy. They are an equal on the world stage but look what they did during the last administration. I really do not think Trump would allow them to invade another country and they struck when the US was weak.

a reply to: Grambler

Did Hillary Scapegoat Russia to Save Her Campaign?

No, the Media scapegoated Russia, to deflect attention away from themselves, they had Hillary winning by a landslide.

Or the whole thing was a charade to purposefully put puppet trump in the whitehouse.

a reply to: intrptr

Both of them did. This is from a few Clinton insiders:
"That strategy had been set within twenty-four hours of her concession speech. Mook and Podesta assembled her communications team at the Brooklyn headquarters to engineer the case that the election wasn’t entirely on the up-and-up. For a couple of hours, with Shake Shack containers littering the room, they went over the script they would pitch to the press and the public. Already, Russian hacking was the centerpiece of the argument."

(From the book shattered)

a reply to: Grambler

This is a common theme. In every thread I post the same people show up, ignore the OP, present very similar arguments (which are addressed in the OP), then try to derail into the weeds of this or that. Some minor issue that's very peripheral compared to the meat of the OP.

a reply to: Dfairlite

Thanks for that.


Of course, we know how 'collisional' they are. Thing about big lies is the deflection away from the cover up to the cover up gets really complex.

"People, don't lie. Just don't lie. Because you can't remember s*** you said yesterday." -- Whoopi Goldbeg

The liberals who believe the hysteria about Russia aren't "Far left." They are dead center, mainstream, establishment liberals...