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POLITICS: Critics Unite to Pan Bush Budget

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posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 04:30 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331
Well caz I am a bonafide PNAC neo-con and damn proud of it. Persoannly I think it will be vital for the US to be able to maintain a force capable of 2-4 raq's at once. Unless we have the capability to overthrow despotic government and install a democratic government as we did with Iraq in other bastons of tyranny we will never win the war on terror.
Everybody sad going to Iraq was a bad Idea, thenthay had succesful elections, so the doybters sad we just installed a #e theocracy, but already the bggest shiite party is reachng out to sunni's and the #e moderates want a secular government. Iraq will become the model for Iran, Cuba, Sudan, N. Korea etc over the nect twenty years. After all whats 2-4 years of instability in exchange for a truly free nation?


I knew it!!! but i didnt know your supported bigger government and larger social welfare than the mainstream republicans, or do you only like the parts of neoconservatism where america flexes its muscle to show its dominance? but then again I suppose its the foreign policy aspects of neoconservatism that really define it than domestic issues




posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:19 AM
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MWM, im with you on many things but your only whipping the frenzy here and im trying to be moderate and reasonable.

can we leave the nwo/pnac hypothising out and deal in tangibles?

Soficrow, dont let mwm distract you
what about the thoughts i put up about your deficit figure?
What about spreading your blame game to put CONGRESS more into the forefront of the budget, which is where the true spending responsibillity lies?



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:22 AM
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Dr funk, when it comes to domestic policy I agree with libertarians 100%. Deregulate everything and legalise everything.
No minmum wage, no welfare, no SS, no drug laws etc.
How we treat americans and how we treat the rest of the world should not be equal.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 07:53 AM
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Bush is been bash because he is the one that even knowing how our country deficit is a hole he still asking for money and spending like a drunken sailor.

Bush is been bash because he is the one that made the budget proposal.

And on another note after all this time in ATS I kind of starting to see who is who when it comes with some around here that belong to supremacy groups


And this is only a joke



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 08:52 AM
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No one thinks this is a good budget except the Neocons, and those "true-belivers" that support bush/

Or am I wrong, does anyone actaully think this is a good budget.. and can they explain why?



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 08:56 AM
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Bush is targeting domestic priorities, and it will affect everybody as long as you are not wealthy.

What we don't know is what he will be asking next for the Social Security Sell out and the maintenance of Afghanistan and Iraq, and this has nothing to do with our soldiers either or the support they will get in Iraq or other places that is part of the defense budget.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 11:31 AM
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I read today that this budget doesn't even include the cost of the war...
he is wanted an 80 billion line of credit for that... to spend as needed.

I am sorry, but the point about Bush running every company he ever owned into the ground is what this is about...

Bush grew up never needing to understand the value of money, and now he proves that he never learned to manage it either...

too bad Daddy Bush can't bail him out of this money mess with a big check...



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by LazarusTheLong

too bad Daddy Bush can't bail him out of this money mess with a big check...


Oh yes he could
Bush had helped make the family fortune bigger and better with his budget from the defense departement profits to daddy's interest in the Carlyle group.

But that will never happend they got their eyes on the trillions of dollars for the SS buy out.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 01:10 PM
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as posted by Marg6043
But that will never happend they got their eyes on the trillions of dollars for the SS buy out.


Marg, your SS is good to go isn't it? You have no SS worry, do you? The money will be there, right?
Got kids?
How about kids or grandchildren less than 10 years in age?
Guess what?
You can taunt and laugh as you wish, but I feel for my kids. Why? Cause what you and others are claiming is not a problem and needs no immediate attention, will leave your and my kids working till they are dead or win the lotto.
Keep laughing and denying. Seems many of those Democrats and some Republicans are laughing with ya.....


Fix the problem real soon or you think Two trillion +/- is alot......let it go another 15-25+ years, without any type 'fix', and see how much it will cost us all in money then, k? Two trillion will amount to but a drop in the bucket then, but hey, you certainly have no worries over this, huh? Keep saying their is no immediate problem to SS....IMHO, many of those within ATS will all find out in time. Me? SS will be there for me and my wife, but my kids? No, unless someone grows the gahoonas to go against mainstream and fix the problem, one way or the other. Bet.





seekerof

[edit on 9-2-2005 by Seekerof]



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by CazMedia

Soficrow,
what about the thoughts i put up about your deficit figure?



As I recall, the Debt Clock in New York started running backward when Clinton was in the White House. So it was turned off. It was restarted after Bush went on his spending sprees.

Bush is President. Point your finger wherever you want, Bush is the Commander in Chief. Bush is responsible.

Bush has a majority in Congress and the Senate. His boys do what he tells them to do - and everyone makes it happen the way the big Bush wants.

Bush is President. Clinton is gone. Get over it.

It's Bush's job to identify the nations' problems, crises and needs - and then to deal with them. Preferably effectively.


The Outstanding Public Debt as of 08 Feb 2005 at 03:13:29 AM GMT is:
$ 7 , 6 2 3 , 8 0 0 , 2 1 1 , 1 8 1 . 5 3

The estimated population of the United States is 295,531,584
so each citizen's share of this debt is $25,796.91.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.88 billion per day since September 30, 2004!


Houston. We have a problem.


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posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 01:39 PM
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Your solution, soficrow?
Is that going to be an Op/Ed piece for the future?



seekerof



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 01:48 PM
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They don't need to just cut out a portion of the farm subsidies, they need a complete overall. With all their griping about how this that and the other things isn't good for us, and that we should be eating these things over here, well, beef, corn, and tobacco make out pretty good with these subsidies, fruit and vegetables, well, they don't make out too well. And, are they still handing over money to the tobacco farmers?
I bet they are.....

I think the government has gotton so big, they have no idea what they are doing to begin with, so there's no way they can target the money to promote their policies.....and well, in many cases they work against themselves.

So, since they don't have any idea what the heck they are doing anyways, nor do they probably care. Bush should have just put out a real balanced budget, slashing everything an equal amount. We could then just sit by and watch the drama unfold.......




posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 02:04 PM
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My piece above is a news report about how critics are uniting to pan Bush's budget. Obviously, there is a strong contingent that doesn't want this news getting out. Too bad.

A lot of Americans don't like Bush's budget proposals. Others criticize other things Bush has done. Many criticisms actually make it past the mainstream controls, and get coverage.

Looks like some people here want ATSNN to filter the criticism that slips through the big net.

Not me. IMO - concerned Americans have a right to talk about their concerns.

Also IMO - spurious attempts to sabotage debate and redirect attention are just that - spurious.

This thread is about critics panning the budget. It is not a forum to identify and isolate 'pro-Bush' from 'anti-Bush' factions. The world is a much, much bigger place than can be encompassed by such narrow definition. Trust me.



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posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 02:13 PM
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Seekerof

Oh, Seekerof you have fallen for it just like countless of other American citizens, I thought you could see through the lies.

Seekerof My father is 71 years old he started collecting SS when he was 62, my father does not rely on SS for his source of income, my father is a vet and he doesn't used any of the benefits either.

Seekerof if you are a responsible parent or a responsible American, you will be able to make sure that you will not depend on the government in your old age for all your needs.

If you are poor and you have no means of a better life and not chances your will be indepted to the government until the day you die.

Is no the responsible citizens that the government is targeting but the lest privileged ones to fall for his ideas and that initiall budget he wants.

Don't let yourself fall for the lies, when bush is out of the government he will give a darn of what will happened in the next 40 years, because he will be death.

He is going to get what he wants and is that initial amount of money in the trillions that is what he cares about, nothing else.

He will leave the mess to the next generations to fix or deal with it but the profits to be make will be the pay off he is looking for, now in his life time.

I will say not more I will be death in 40 years anyway perhaps my chidren and grandchildren will make the right choices I will make sure of that.




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posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 02:22 PM
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soficrow:


My piece above is a news report about how critics are uniting to pan Bush's budget. Obviously, there is a strong contingent that doesn't want this news getting out. Too bad.

Strong contingent is 'who' exactly, and beofre you go naming names, please make sure that your are 100% fully correct in your naming of those belonging to that "strong contingent".



A lot of Americans don't like Bush's budget proposals. Others criticize other things Bush has done. Many criticisms actually make it past the mainstream controls, and get coverage.

Post history, soficrow. Other than that, your point is?



Looks like some people here want ATSNN to filter the criticism that slips through the big net.

Again, I would caution that you make 100% certain what you seem to be indicating. Comprende'?



Not me. IMO - concerned Americans have a right to talk about their concerns.

Of course they do, soficrow, even those who are not Americans are welcome to voice their displeasure.




Also IMO - spurious attempts to sabotage debate and redirect attention are just that - spurious.

File a complaint maybe for staff review?
Report thus in the ATSNN Bullpen?
IMHO, that seems to take place in virtually any and all topic threads within ATS. You made a comment, I addressed it and asked a question. Now I am reading your take on what you consider "spurious".....



This thread is about critics panning the budget.

How does twice posting the National Debt have anything to do with this?



It is not a forum to identify and isolate 'pro-Bush' from 'anti-Bush' factions.

Really? Two words: post history.



The world is a much, much bigger place than can be encompassed by such narrow definition.

Hmmm, "narrow" definition in relation to post history, soficrow? Other than that, I will agree.

But so as to please you that no one is seeking to "spuriously" sabotage or redircet your topic thread, allow me:

Please return all focus back to the previously scheduled program:
Critics Unite to Pan Bush Budget .





seekerof



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 02:39 PM
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Marg6043:
Your funny.



Oh, Seekerof you have fallen for it just like countless of other American citizens, I thought you could see through the lies.

We shall soon see, huh? Btw, you got your membership to the AARP yet?




Seekerof My father is 71 years old he started collecting SS when he was 62, my father does not rely on SS for his source of income, my father is a vet and he doesn't used any of the benefits either.

And?
My father is a three tour Vietnam vet, drawing officer retirement and doesn't need such either. Your point?!



Seekerof if you are a responsible parent or a responsible American, you will be able to make sure that you will not depend on the government in your old age for all your needs.

Are you insinuating that I am not?
Excuse me Marg, while I get some bread to help gather up some of your drivel, but how many Americans in the US put money in the bank and have IRA's, etc? Please check your stats, k?! Very few, Marg. Your blathering about how life is going to be for you and perhaps your kids, but it is, in no way 100% full-proof, huh? You can have $500,000 in the bank one week and then get so sick and become hospitalized that even with insurance, that 'life-savings' that you are so eloquently harping on has vanished or is now incapable of sustaining you through retirement, etc. Correct?



If you are poor and you have no means of a better life and not chances your will be indepted to the government until the day you die.

Thats roughly 75% of the US population right now, Marg. That is not counting our kids and grandchildren.



If no the responsible citizens that the government is targeting but the lest privileged ones to fall for his ideas and that initiall budget he wants

Wrong answer.



Don't let yourself fall for the lies, when bush is out of the government he will give a darn of what will happened in the next 40 years, because he will be death.

Not falling for squat. No, I'll have to just worry about the next presidential flunky coming into office claiming that there are no problems in SS and that it will last until my great-grandchildren have children!




He is going to get what he wants and is that initial amount of money in the trillions that is what he cares about, nothing else.

Really?
Can you fix the problem for less?
Can the Democrats propose or fix it for less?
The problem here is that all I'm reading about is how one administration is doing such and such with no critical thought given to offering viable solutions or finding and posting some material and sourcings on viable solutions, Comprende'?



He will leave the mess to the next generations to fix or deal with it but the profits to be make will be the pay out he is looking for now in his life time.

Yeah...riiight.
The SS problem will get left for future generations to deal with and hopefully fix because of the continued partisan pklay that has and is taking place!! Instead of coming together to discuss, recognize, and work to solve a problem, its simply better left to pointing out the flaws, crying and whining whose fault it is, and offering nothing in replacement of the proposed original.



I will say not more I will be death in 40 years anyway perhaps my chidren and grandchildren will make the right choices I will make sure of that.

So your basically advocating ignoring the problem by saying there is not one, but then leave it to our kids and grandchildren to fix, when we should have fixed it in the first place?! Placing this in their hands is simply relying on 'hope' when it shouldn't have to come to that in the first place.




seekerof


[edit on 9-2-2005 by Seekerof]



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 02:58 PM
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Still you don't get it and never will, Bush care less of what will happen to his SS idea or how it turns into later on.

All he cares is the budget in the trillions that's all he wants, it means profits, here in his life time now.

For the rest of your post I guess you want a fight but is my husband birthday today so find somebody else to debate with.

Have a good day.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
I read today that this budget doesn't even include the cost of the war...
he is wanted an 80 billion line of credit for that... to spend as needed.



What's another 80 billion dollars? A trifling sum.

This is the most transparent lie of the lot, placing the taxpayers' money and lives to be squandered into a special emergency float.

Exercise: Try tracking the spoils of war through the administration's crony companies... the current price of gas in Iraq is an interesting start. No taxpayers anywhere see anything out of that price gouging and profiteering.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 03:12 PM
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I'm sorry but this is exactly why anti-bushies have been crying out loud for so long.

SLASH - Farm subsidies, health for poor and veterans, literacy programs, environment protection.

INCREASE - Carlyle and Haliburton paychecks?

How does such a budget benefit the working man who supports his family off 40k/yr? What's wrong with you people? Yea, I'm sure the cost of invading Iran is somewhere in that budget under office supplies..


Are we tired of bending over yet?



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by syntaxer
Are we tired of bending over yet?


No the spending is not over, and it is just going to get worst. Bush has to get that budget for Iraq and the SS kick off to get one last chance for daddy's friends at the firm to get one last pay off.




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