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POLITICS: Critics Unite to Pan Bush Budget

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posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 11:29 AM
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House Minority leader Nancy Pelosi calls Bush's budget a "hoax." Neither Iraq nor social security - the two big topics in the President's state of the union address - are anywhere to be found in his budget. Commentators and even some Republicans who face re-election battles this year share Pelosi's view. The Bush budget cuts farm subsidies, health programs for the poor and veterans, literacy programs and critical environment protection programs like clean water programs. Military and homeland security get the only big spending increases - and critics say the allocations just funnel hard earned tax dollars to international corporations.


 



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The $US2.57 trillion ($3.35 trillion) budget that the US President, George Bush, sent to Congress and that he described as responsible and "lean", was immediately condemned by Democrats as a hoax, while most independent analysts said the budget would do little to tackle the record $US427 billion budget deficit.

Mr Bush proposed cuts to a wide range of domestic spending, including cuts to farm subsidies, health programs for the poor and veterans, literacy programs and some environment protection programs. Almost half the proposed cuts were put up in the previous budget and were rejected by Congress.

The only big spending increases were in the military and homeland security. Defence gets a 5 per cent increase to $US419 billion, which does not include spending on operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. These are not included in the budget figures - Mr Bush asked Congress to approve an extra $80 billion on Iraq and Afghanistan for this year.

Mr Bush said it would "not be reasonable" to include this additional spending because it was not known what would be needed in the future. As one Republican senator put it, if the US was still spending $80 billion a year in Iraq two years from now, "we'll be in big trouble".

The House minority leader, Democrat Nancy Pelosi, said the budget was a hoax. The two issues that dominated the President's state of the union address - Iraq and social security - she said, "are nowhere to be found in this budget".

This was a view widely shared by commentators and even some Republicans, who know that while Mr Bush will never have to go to the polls again, many of them face re-election battles next year.



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The Bush budget provides tax cuts to the already rich, on the backs of veterans, children and the the poor, and funnels Americans' hard earned tax dollars straight to international corporations' accounts, say critics.





Democrats denounced the budget as wrongheaded in its priorities and said it masked the fiscal effects of the administration's policies. Noting that the administration's budget made no allowance beyond this year for the costs of the military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan and left out entirely the costs of Mr. Bush's proposal for overhauling Social Security, they said his proposals were not credible.

"This budget takes cops off the street, hurts veterans and punishes schoolchildren while saddling future generations with record budget deficits and mountains of debt," said Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. "There's nothing fiscally responsible here."

Even as his plan took a knife to many spending programs in the name of fiscal responsibility, it left room to make permanent the tax cuts of Mr. Bush's first term, at a cost of $53 billion in the next five years and $1.1 trillion through 2015. ...The new budget proposal also called for new tax cuts worth $23 billion in the next five years and $117 billion through 2015.

Budget Wrongheaded




Military critics say the budget focuses on developing and manufacturing unnecessary and dangerous WMD's, paying private security firms 500-1000 times the price to do the job American troops should be supported for doing - and developing military robots to replace the nation's own troops.

Overview: The New Military


Environment critics say essential protections are being stripped to protect chemical and drug industries, at the expense of American peoples' health. Current EPA regulations are inadequate to protect the nation from Mad Cow and other emerging diseases; funding for enforcement is already lacking.





Total EPA funding would decline from $8 billion that Congress allocated for the agency to protect the nation's air, water and land in the current budget year. ...Most of the EPA cut for 2006 is due to a reduction in government contributions to a revolving fund that states use to upgrade sewage and septic systems and storm-water run-off projects. Funding for the fund fell by $361 million, or 33 percent, in the Bush administration budget proposal.

EPA Cuts




At the same time, health supports are cut. Over 100 million Americans are chronically disabled - many by preventable health problems that come from infectious and chemical contaminations in the nation's food, air and water. Over 46 million Americans cannot afford health insurance.





...the budget would more than double the co-payment many veterans pay for prescription drugs. It also would require some veterans to pay a new fee of $250 a year if they want to join the government's health care program.

Budget Disses Veterans

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President George W. Bush's budget proposal contains cuts to the Medicaid program that, if enacted, would threaten the ability of public hospitals to continue serving the state's most vulnerable residents.

The President calls for cutting $60 billion from the Medicaid program, which provides essential health services to our nation's neediest people.

"The safety net is already under funded," said Denise K. Martin, CEO of the California Association of Public Hospitals and Health Systems. "Cuts to the Medicaid program means that people lose needed health care services."

Budget Shafts the Uninsured Middle Class

Also see:
Medical bills spark 46% of U.S. personal bankruptcies




Americans are angry that international security and defense corporations get all the nation's money, again, while ordinary Americans pay the price.

This budget may be the issue that unites America. If critics do unite effectively against the budget, there may be changes coming.



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posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 02:57 PM
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No matter how bad or irrelevant the Bush administration's budget is, it is hard to call it a "hoax". It's real, as farmers, educators and trees and microbes will attest to.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 03:01 PM
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Looks like a porkchop to me..as in, a lot of pork getting cut. Lots of congresscritters losing their pet projects, entitlements, subsidies. It's these smaller, constant drains over decades that have caused significant waste and fiscal pain. It's easy to cut the big ones, each new administration does it to the previous one. but typically they leave the sacred bureaucratic cows alone.

There needs to be accounting and proper responsibility for SS and defense,and the ineffective Homeland Security, but they're much easier targets. We the people have tried focussing on the beig hemmoraghing for decades, and have gotten nowhere. Let's try a different approach, get rid of the deeper cancers, then work on stitching. Who knows, a differnt approach might work.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 03:30 PM
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Sofi, would you stop being so damn right about everything? I owe you for 2 headaches now...


This article touches on so many issues that americans will be dealing with far after the Bush empire has fallen/retired... that is unless ol Jeb decides to run.

I am particularly upset with the cuts towards veterans. they give on one hand to those that die, but if you are quick enough to survive... you get shafted...
leaving thousands of wounded veterens in financial trouble...



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
No matter how bad or irrelevant the Bush administration's budget is, it is hard to call it a "hoax". It's real, as farmers, educators and trees and microbes will attest to.



from Merrium-webster Online
Main Entry: hoax
Function: noun
1 : an act intended to trick or dupe : IMPOSTURE
2 : something accepted or established by fraud or fabrication


so then everything that bush said in the sate of the union address, especailly the parts about social security reform and the Iraqi war was a "hoax" instead?



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
Sofi, would you stop being so damn right about everything? I owe you for 2 headaches now...










I am particularly upset with the cuts towards veterans. they give on one hand to those that die, but if you are quick enough to survive... you get shafted...
leaving thousands of wounded veterens in financial trouble...



Yah. It's the survivors who suffer alright. In civilian life too. They want you to go quick...




Jehosephat

so then everything that bush said in the sate of the union address, especailly the parts about social security reform and the Iraqi war was a "hoax" instead?




I'm thinkin' FUBAR.



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[edit on 8-2-2005 by soficrow]



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 04:58 PM
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Well, it does raise the heckles a little when the POTUS speaks out on matters of such significance in his obligatory State Of The Union address, which is bound by law to be a truthful and accurate effort, and this is not implemented with clarity in the budgetary process or in how programs become "sold" to Congress.

But surely this process (let us call it "lying") has not happened with the Bush administration before?



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by Phugedaboudet

There needs to be accounting and proper responsibility for SS and defense,and the ineffective Homeland Security,


The ineffective Homeland Security. Hmmmmmmmmm.................granted our current intelligence "failed" at 9/11. But wouldn't it been better to revamp then to add another layer...........and now it's ineffective. Its okay, Phudge, no sources needed on this one. Logic should carry this weight............too many intelligence agencys and all we get are a Boston nuclear hoax, an abondan all ye who live in Conneticut hoax, another season of American Idol, and a budget that seems to be addressing the 1940's............this nation is the hoax, not just the budget.

I get the feeling that the only thing to fear lies behind the curtain of lies..........

Edit: Spelling

[edit on 8-2-2005 by MemoryShock]



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
But surely this process (let us call it "lying") has not happened with the Bush administration before?


It is obvious it has, I would just like them to admit it for once



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 07:50 PM
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They kinda made a half hearted attempt.........check this out -


CIA admits it was wrong about Iraq WMD


I think it is relevant to note that this came after Bush cited that his re-election was justification for the war in Iraq.............if this isn't one of the biggest implications of media manipulation, then I don't know what is.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by soficrow

Americans are angry that international security and defense corporations get all the nation's money, again, while ordinary Americans pay the price.

This budget may be the issue that unites America. If critics do unite effectively against the budget, there may be changes coming.



I can not agree more with you, I hope most Americans are intelligent people that can see through the lies and the troubles our country is in.

But as you has seen in other post we have the few that will find an excused to keep the public misinformed.

I hope most of the proposed budget will die.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 01:26 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043

I hope most of the proposed budget will die.



But what a mess to fix... Why would anyone think some guy who routinely ran businesses into the ground would do anything different with a nation? !?!





U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK

The Outstanding Public Debt as of 08 Feb 2005 at 03:13:29 AM GMT is:
$ 7 , 6 2 3 , 8 0 0 , 2 1 1 , 1 8 1 . 5 3

The estimated population of the United States is 295,531,584
so each citizen's share of this debt is $25,796.91.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.88 billion per day since September 30, 2004!
Concerned? Then tell Congress and the White House!

www.brillig.com...





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posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 01:59 AM
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Soficrow says,


But what a mess to fix... Why would anyone think some guy who routinely ran businesses into the ground would do anything different with a nation? !?!
Ummm why dont you ask CONGRESS...you know, the people that will actually put the budget together?
Bush can propose whatever he wants...and you can try to blame him all day
CONGRESS will be the people thst submit the budget however....
Bush either signs it, or sends it back thus putting preassure on CONGRESS to provide more funding for whatever thing the president was asking for in order to get him to sign it....but again it will be CONGRESS that figures this out.

But blame bush...this is the 4th thread from Sofi that has the "bash Bush" aftertaste to it.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 02:13 AM
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Originally posted by CazMedia


Soficrow
But what a mess to fix... Why would anyone think some guy who routinely ran businesses into the ground would do anything different with a nation? !?!

Ummm why dont you ask CONGRESS...you can try to blame him all day
CONGRESS will be the people thst submit the budget however....
Bush either signs it, or sends it back




The Outstanding Public Debt as of 08 Feb 2005 at 03:13:29 AM GMT is:
$ 7 , 6 2 3 , 8 0 0 , 2 1 1 , 1 8 1 . 5 3

...So whatever goes right is Bush's glory, but whatever goes wrong is someone else's fault?


$ 7 , 6 2 3 , 8 0 0 , 2 1 1 , 1 8 1 . 5 3

Each citizen's share of this debt is $25,796.91.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.88 billion per day since September 30, 2004!




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posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 02:43 AM
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Choosing From Among The Options

So, um, do the Democrats have a superior alternative to offer?

If so, it's not getting very much press, because I haven't seen it.

All I'm seeing from the opposition party is a lot of opposition, and no solutions.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 02:56 AM
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I find this budget appalling because what it shows is that the administration wishes to cut domestic programs and people's benefits making their lifes harder, they increase defence spending by a huge margin (more than my countries entire defence spending a year I believe) and the deficit this year ends up being higher. The only ground that is made here is that the money is being shifted straight out of these programs and into the already overbudgeted defence department.

I hope people wake up to what is happening as its the defence department is ripe for tens of billions of dollars of cuts. It's also apparent to most for fiscal responsibility that taxes are raised back up to help cover the shortfall in the budget.

thanks,
drfunk



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 03:36 AM
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I think many of you are mssing the point behind ths budget, And I dont know why.
If you look carefully at what is beng cut and what is beng increased its a damn good proposal.
Cuts, foodstamps, farm supports, all federal spending on vocational institutions to be redirected to high schools
increases, aid to poor educational districts, peel grants, literacy programs, nuclear waste dsposal, FBI, DEA, COPS
So whats the rhyme behnd the reason IMHO?
Well think about it increasing basic publc educaton so American children can be more competitive n the world, while at the same time redcing funding for vocational trining means that more kids will either go to college or becase of the benefts in law enforcement and military spending join the army. If the only recourse a poor kid has in order to succeed s to join the armed services for job training then our military will increase in size. Knowng tht the next 20-30 will see the US involved in many medum scale conflcts like Iraq, bush is hoping to entice more and more youth into a carreer as a professional soldier. Pretty soon the only recourse the poor will have is to join the military for school or job training.
rather than spending billions to feed them and support thier welfare lifestyle we will spend billions to make them nto a professional fighting force capable of handlng 2-4 Iraq's at the same time.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 03:51 AM
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geese MWM, did you have to provide that analogy...while i dont have any questions on your observations...its EXACTLY the kind of theory that the liberals feast upon to support their NWO/neo-con fantasies....

LOL....

Soficrow,
Ok youve shown us the national debt, doesnt some of this include debt incurred from previous administrations and compound interest as well?
But blame bush for those eh?

Im really not trying to tout Bush here, but i cant tolorate mistruths, ommisions of information, or other such manipulations of information in order to support a bash fest on anyone.

We\'ve had a debt before, we\'ll have it again...i cant see how the overall CUMULATIVE debt you cite can be entirely attributed to Bush\'s budget requests to congress as your implying.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 04:08 AM
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Well caz I am a bonafide PNAC neo-con and damn proud of it. Persoannly I think it will be vital for the US to be able to maintain a force capable of 2-4 raq's at once. Unless we have the capability to overthrow despotic government and install a democratic government as we did with Iraq in other bastons of tyranny we will never win the war on terror.
Everybody sad going to Iraq was a bad Idea, thenthay had succesful elections, so the doybters sad we just installed a #e theocracy, but already the bggest shiite party is reachng out to sunni's and the #e moderates want a secular government. Iraq will become the model for Iran, Cuba, Sudan, N. Korea etc over the nect twenty years. After all whats 2-4 years of instability in exchange for a truly free nation?



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 04:24 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331
I think many of you are mssing the point behind ths budget, And I dont know why.
If you look carefully at what is beng cut and what is beng increased its a damn good proposal.
Pretty soon the only recourse the poor will have is to join the military for school or job training.
rather than spending billions to feed them and support thier welfare lifestyle we will spend billions to make them nto a professional fighting force capable of handlng 2-4 Iraq's at the same time.



You forgot the vote for food program!





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