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It's on the news today: President Trump and the Russian invovlement

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posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
LOL

So the "Sources" said.


Does this one come with a string ... or are we forced to use our imaginations?




posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 12:34 PM
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originally posted by: ilikenotebooks
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

but it is an actual quote from Trump Jr. that is all i said. so there is nothing to debunk. i wasn't saying "oh my gosh, smoking gun. obviously trump org. is in russia's pocket"


And yet still no ................. wait for it .....

"Sources"




posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

that's me up there in that picture. the one in the box. looks exactly like me. there's your source.
edit on 6-8-2017 by ilikenotebooks because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: underwerks




To say Russian money makes up a disproportionate cross-section of their assets is putting it lightly, given the decades of financial support Trump has received from Russian oligarchs and the mob. Which I would like to add, are basically part of the Russian government.


I was waiting for that subtle piece of sophistry to rear its head. Now the Russian mob is a part of the Russian government. This is the result of the insinuation that every Russian is a part of the Russian government, a Russian spy, a russian oligarch. A lie, of course.

Why would you be "waiting" on that? It's common knowledge the Russian Mob is an extension of their government, in a lot of ways.

That's a basic fact that's in any book about the Russian Mob.


Even if we assume you are right, it's a logical fallacy anyways. Just because SOME work they do is for the government does not mean everything they do is for the government.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say Trump is working exclusively for the Russian government.

When all else fails, drag them goalposts over there..

Not what I said. The Russian mob.

So far I see ZERO evidence of anything. Assuming you can prove a connection between Trump and the Russian mob, you still show no connection to the Russian government.

Oh, sorry, I thought you were referring to Trump in that post.

I have to ask, did you read the article associated with the OP? Because the article is about Trumps Russian Mob connections to his businesses over the years. These are fact, and public record. Including the raid on Trump tower for Russian money laundering in 2013.

Want proof of how connected the Russian Mob and government is? Do a google search or pick up a book about it. It isn't some hidden information.

I had assumed it was common knowledge to anyone who's ever studied the Russian Mob or Russian history after the dissolving of the Soviet Union.
And what illegalities did that raid turn up? I read the article, I see nothing connecting Trump to anything.

Basically they wanted high end apartments. Trump had them. He is one of many people they bought from. Therefore Trump was involved in the mob.

It's a silly argument without actual evidence.

If you read the article, you'd see that Trump selling apartments to people isn't what the whole article is about. That's only one, small part.

It's silly to try to simplify the article into one point that doesn't matter in order to discredit it.



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 12:42 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 12:46 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: underwerks




To say Russian money makes up a disproportionate cross-section of their assets is putting it lightly, given the decades of financial support Trump has received from Russian oligarchs and the mob. Which I would like to add, are basically part of the Russian government.


I was waiting for that subtle piece of sophistry to rear its head. Now the Russian mob is a part of the Russian government. This is the result of the insinuation that every Russian is a part of the Russian government, a Russian spy, a russian oligarch. A lie, of course.

Why would you be "waiting" on that? It's common knowledge the Russian Mob is an extension of their government, in a lot of ways.

That's a basic fact that's in any book about the Russian Mob.


Even if we assume you are right, it's a logical fallacy anyways. Just because SOME work they do is for the government does not mean everything they do is for the government.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say Trump is working exclusively for the Russian government.

When all else fails, drag them goalposts over there..

Not what I said. The Russian mob.

So far I see ZERO evidence of anything. Assuming you can prove a connection between Trump and the Russian mob, you still show no connection to the Russian government.

Oh, sorry, I thought you were referring to Trump in that post.

I have to ask, did you read the article associated with the OP? Because the article is about Trumps Russian Mob connections to his businesses over the years. These are fact, and public record. Including the raid on Trump tower for Russian money laundering in 2013.

Want proof of how connected the Russian Mob and government is? Do a google search or pick up a book about it. It isn't some hidden information.

I had assumed it was common knowledge to anyone who's ever studied the Russian Mob or Russian history after the dissolving of the Soviet Union.
And what illegalities did that raid turn up? I read the article, I see nothing connecting Trump to anything.

Basically they wanted high end apartments. Trump had them. He is one of many people they bought from. Therefore Trump was involved in the mob.

It's a silly argument without actual evidence.

If you read the article, you'd see that Trump selling apartments to people isn't what the whole article is about. That's only one, small part.

It's silly to try to simplify the article into one point that doesn't matter in order to discredit it.

I didn't read anything that pointed to Trump involved in wrongdoing.



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 12:46 PM
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posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 12:49 PM
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posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

what claims? no one is making any claims. obviously it is a matter of public record the fact that the FBI busted a russian gambling ring in trump tower. real estate transactions are also a matter of public record anyone can easily find.



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 01:03 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: underwerks




To say Russian money makes up a disproportionate cross-section of their assets is putting it lightly, given the decades of financial support Trump has received from Russian oligarchs and the mob. Which I would like to add, are basically part of the Russian government.


I was waiting for that subtle piece of sophistry to rear its head. Now the Russian mob is a part of the Russian government. This is the result of the insinuation that every Russian is a part of the Russian government, a Russian spy, a russian oligarch. A lie, of course.

Why would you be "waiting" on that? It's common knowledge the Russian Mob is an extension of their government, in a lot of ways.

That's a basic fact that's in any book about the Russian Mob.


Even if we assume you are right, it's a logical fallacy anyways. Just because SOME work they do is for the government does not mean everything they do is for the government.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say Trump is working exclusively for the Russian government.

When all else fails, drag them goalposts over there..

Not what I said. The Russian mob.

So far I see ZERO evidence of anything. Assuming you can prove a connection between Trump and the Russian mob, you still show no connection to the Russian government.

Oh, sorry, I thought you were referring to Trump in that post.

I have to ask, did you read the article associated with the OP? Because the article is about Trumps Russian Mob connections to his businesses over the years. These are fact, and public record. Including the raid on Trump tower for Russian money laundering in 2013.

Want proof of how connected the Russian Mob and government is? Do a google search or pick up a book about it. It isn't some hidden information.

I had assumed it was common knowledge to anyone who's ever studied the Russian Mob or Russian history after the dissolving of the Soviet Union.
And what illegalities did that raid turn up? I read the article, I see nothing connecting Trump to anything.

Basically they wanted high end apartments. Trump had them. He is one of many people they bought from. Therefore Trump was involved in the mob.

It's a silly argument without actual evidence.

If you read the article, you'd see that Trump selling apartments to people isn't what the whole article is about. That's only one, small part.

It's silly to try to simplify the article into one point that doesn't matter in order to discredit it.


Did you read the article? This whole thing us about the Russian mafia buying properties from Trump.Problem I see is Trump wouldn't have even known about thsee purchases since he had someone who's job it was to sell the properties. Second there isn't anything illegal in selling properties to the mob. It just looks bad in the press isn't even money laundering since that requires a way to clean the money usually casinos and and laundry mats. In both these you can deposit money without showing where it came from.

Now maybe trump made a deal to sell his Atlantic city holdings and that involved money laundering but I haven't seen any proof of that either. Selling property isn't illegal nor does it make you guilty of a crime.



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: Diabolical1972
this guy so full of the brown stinky stuff. look a friend of mine leased a piece of property beside her florist shop to the son of one of her friends to open a second location to his facsimiles restaurant and shortly afterward started late night shipping and receiving shipments of coke she had no idea he was doing this till i told her about after he fled country . gpong by this dimwits chain of thought that means my friend gad ties to the cartels because someone was using leased property for running drugs. how are you going to use this as an example does that mean everyl andlord in the country is guilty if renters run criminal enterprise out of their properties no it does not.



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: underwerks




To say Russian money makes up a disproportionate cross-section of their assets is putting it lightly, given the decades of financial support Trump has received from Russian oligarchs and the mob. Which I would like to add, are basically part of the Russian government.


I was waiting for that subtle piece of sophistry to rear its head. Now the Russian mob is a part of the Russian government. This is the result of the insinuation that every Russian is a part of the Russian government, a Russian spy, a russian oligarch. A lie, of course.

Why would you be "waiting" on that? It's common knowledge the Russian Mob is an extension of their government, in a lot of ways.

That's a basic fact that's in any book about the Russian Mob.


Even if we assume you are right, it's a logical fallacy anyways. Just because SOME work they do is for the government does not mean everything they do is for the government.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say Trump is working exclusively for the Russian government.

When all else fails, drag them goalposts over there..

Not what I said. The Russian mob.

So far I see ZERO evidence of anything. Assuming you can prove a connection between Trump and the Russian mob, you still show no connection to the Russian government.

Oh, sorry, I thought you were referring to Trump in that post.

I have to ask, did you read the article associated with the OP? Because the article is about Trumps Russian Mob connections to his businesses over the years. These are fact, and public record. Including the raid on Trump tower for Russian money laundering in 2013.

Want proof of how connected the Russian Mob and government is? Do a google search or pick up a book about it. It isn't some hidden information.

I had assumed it was common knowledge to anyone who's ever studied the Russian Mob or Russian history after the dissolving of the Soviet Union.
And what illegalities did that raid turn up? I read the article, I see nothing connecting Trump to anything.

Basically they wanted high end apartments. Trump had them. He is one of many people they bought from. Therefore Trump was involved in the mob.

It's a silly argument without actual evidence.

If you read the article, you'd see that Trump selling apartments to people isn't what the whole article is about. That's only one, small part.

It's silly to try to simplify the article into one point that doesn't matter in order to discredit it.

I didn't read anything that pointed to Trump involved in wrongdoing.

That isn't the point of the article. It's to lay out the connections. While connections in themselves aren't illegal, they do serve as a sort of road map.

To believe Trump is completely innocent I'd have to put on blinders to his entire history with the Russian Mob and the Russian government, how much money they've given him over the years, his proven lies and backtracking about knowing Putin, Trumps daughter vacationing with Putins girlfriend, what Trump Jr said, and a laundry list of other things I don't have space or time to type out.

I can't intentionally blind myself like that. The truth in this instance is a part of public record. Russian oligarchs have had a hand in Trumps finances for decades.



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: Diabolical1972
Someone posted a link last week about a website [New Republic] on ATS about Trump and the Russians, which was extremely detailed. I think someone on the news might be spying on ATS and found the link. Now it's on the news. Sorry ATS you didn't get credit only [New Republic] and I can't find the link again. The ATS link that links to the Russian story. Enjoy the video.

newrepublic.com...





LOL... you could take these "revelations" and overlay them on the activities of the CIA and their drug running... and it would be a near perfect fit.

If Trump did business with mobsters and knew it... that will be a problem for him.

For those who don't know... New Republic is a rag with a bent towards "Progressive" politics... the "republic" in the title is a bit misleading.


(post by TacSite18 removed for a manners violation)

posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: ilikenotebooks
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

but it is an actual quote from Trump Jr. that is all i said. so there is nothing to debunk. i wasn't saying "oh my gosh, smoking gun. obviously trump org. is in russia's pocket"


And yet still no ................. wait for it .....

"Sources"



But their sources are all anonymous, unnamed, or even "familiar with the thinking of Russian mobsters".
edit on 6-8-2017 by deadlysyn because: typo



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

So there is no evidence of any wrongdoing. Thank you. If he's guilty he should suffer just like Hillary and Obama should should suffer. Until we have actual evidence of wrongdoing then I am not interested in the liberal agenda of convicting Trump in the media.



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: conspiracy nut
Just ignore it, if it paints trump and his administration in a negative light it must be FAKE NEWS!! *Sarcasm*


So far everything attempting to paint Trump in a negative light HAS been fake news. Is it okay to start believing them now?



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 05:16 PM
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a reply to: tadaman



If you read my post that's not what I said. I said someone from news is getting their information about President Trump off of ATS and ATS didn't get credit. Than from reading, it looks like silly directed MSNBC to the that link on the Republic. I like President Trump. I voted for him. He's the only person that's ever won since I ever voted. Every time I vote they never win.



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 05:24 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Trueman

He's broke.
That's his big secret.


That's hard to believe and impossible to know. Don't tell me you really think you have access to all his financial information.



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 05:35 PM
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Yeah, he can't be broke if he bought a chandelier for the white house. lol



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