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American Leftists Are Fascists Marching ‘Under the Banner of Anti-Fascism

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posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:00 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Are you seriously trying to say Julius Evola was Left-Wing?

you lost any credibility




posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:01 AM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: Shamrock6




But when you use the same tactics (looking at you, forcible suppression of opposing viewpoints) then you sort of don't get to call yourself "anti" anything.


Why, did they burn down any white trash trailerparks with a few women and their kids already?

I don't know where you're coming from, but the rightwingers in Europe actually kill people. Where is Antifa using the same "tactics" now?



Sadly I'm sure Soros has something in the works



posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:02 AM
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originally posted by: Painterz
I mean, no offence, but people really shouldn't use these words if they don't know what they mean.


Firstly, the 'left' in American politics does not exist. The democrats are a party of the center-right.


This is a lie. Was Bernie center right? Antifa that believes in anarchy is center right?


Second, you cannot be a leftist and a fascist at the same time.



Definition of fascism


often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

www.merriam-webster.com...

Exalts race? Oh like the left and their identity politics. Centralized big government? Oh like the left. Suppression of opposition? Oh like the left censoring conservative speakers.

I love when people try to shift definitions of words to claim they can't be bad.


Third, most leftists are not in fact obsessed with identity politics, this is a smear the far-right uses to discredit anybody that is not like them. Witness the way the word 'snowflake' is thrown around by the far-right.


Snowflake is thrown around to much.

But to act like identity politics isn't a biog part of the left is a joke. Even left leaning journalist admit that id politics is a huge part of the democratic platform.


No, the main reason why Clinton is a near-lock for the nomination is that Democrats have become the party of identity. They're now dependent on a coalition that relies on exciting less-reliable voters with nontraditional candidates. President Obama proved he could turn out African-American, Hispanic, and young voters to his side in 2012 even as they faced particularly rough economic hardships during a weak recovery. As the first female major-party nominee for president, Clinton hopes to win decisive margins with women voters and is planning to run on that historic message—in sharp contrast to her campaign's argument playing down that uniqueness in 2008.

It's part of why freshman Sen. Elizabeth Warren inspires excitement from the party's grassroots, but former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley, whose progressive record in office set liberal benchmarks, isn't even polling at 1 percent nationally. It's why Sherrod Brown, a populist white male senator from a must-win battleground state is an afterthought in the presidential sweepstakes. It's why Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine, a runner-up to be Obama's running mate in 2008, quickly jumped on the Clinton bandwagon instead of pursuing any national ambitions. On Bernstein's list of 16 possible challengers, 15 are white and nine are white males. That makes many of them untenable standard-bearers in the modern Democratic Party.


www.theatlantic.com...



Fourth, if you cannot see why people marching to stop fascism is EXACTLY THE SAME AS NAZIS then sorry, but frankly I don't have the words anymore to explain how stupid that is.


Just because these people CLAIM to be marching against fascism doesn't mean they are. In reality, they are shutting down all speech they don't agree with. I could go through the huge list of speakers they have attempted to censor, even rioting to do so in some cases, to prove those speakers were not fascists, but we both know thats the case.



The American 'left' is not inspired by Nazism. For heaven's sake.

If you want to ask what happened to the actual American Nazis, the ANP, WUFENs, etc, then that's potentially an interesting question. I'm pretty certain all of these white power groups didn't join the Democratic party or start campainging for racial and sexual equality.


The left isn't "inspired" by Nazis. However, you don't have to be a Nazi to be a fascist. Some on the left however do use some of the same tactics and goals.





And please, remind me who the Neo-Nazis voted for again? That's right, your boy Trump. 'Heil Trump!' they shouted, whilst giving him the Hitler salute.


And plenty of racist and terrible people such as black or hispanic racist groups and terrorist sympathizing groups voted for the Democrats.

Did the republicans or Trump have a mass murdering terrorists family attend one of their rallies? But Hillary did.


The father of Islamist gay-nightclub shooter Omar Mateen is supporting Hillary Clinton for president and attended a rally for the candidate Monday, standing near the stage as she addressed the crowd.


www.washingtontimes.com...



posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:02 AM
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a reply to: Mikehawk

Oh "Muh Soros" you know Soros is considered our enemy right? this conspiracy he funds anarchists and Anifa is on the "Muh Russia Hysteria" level



posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:05 AM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: xuenchen

Are you seriously trying to say Julius Evola was Left-Wing?

you lost any credibility


How is credibility obtained and how much do you own?

You people with your left versus right squabbling are freaking hilarious but frightening at the same time.

I guess I'm just as big a bafoon for constantly posting about this in these threads.

we need to focus on the people calling the shots, not their puppet figure heads and divisive tactics.

I'm pretty sure a lot of these groups are psy Ops or started off genuine then became infiltrated.



posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:07 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion


vi·o·lence ˈvī(ə)ləns/Submit noun behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.



for·ci·ble ˈfôrsəb(ə)l/Submit adjective done by force.



force fôrs/Submit noun 1. strength or energy as an attribute of physical action or movement. "he was thrown backward by the force of the explosion" synonyms: strength, power, energy, might, effort, exertion; More 2. coercion or compulsion, especially with the use or threat of violence.


Yea I don't really give a # where you "come from." The argument that "oh American Antifa hasn't killed anybody, so they don't do anything fascist" is borderline retarded.

Using violent means of any sort to shut down the opposition is a tactic embraced by fascists. There's no definition, anywhere, that says "fascists kill people to shut them up, and if anybody uses violent means that don't result in the death of somebody then that's not really fascism."



posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:10 AM
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Sanders was a Socdem at best, no anarchists like him, not even socialist like him because he has his feet in the capitalist neoliberal party

Peoples mistake is trying to equate anarchists and other (though we do NOT associate with them, 'leftest groups' with the Democratas

Liberals have hijacked liberation movements to use for political manipulation, we are about individual liberation, not assimilating into a 'Liberalized Identity" for their political gains.

The right use their share of identity politics as well, in fact, the Alt-Right use it as their base movement.


If you want to start talking about this stuff without repeating nonsense right-propaganda, you should know the differences between "Liberals" and other leftest groups



posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:11 AM
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trying to use the horseshoe theory is ignorant


Not nearly so much as ignoring it's relevance is.


First, "Fascism" is not a tactic, we are not trying to install 'authority' but destroy it. Antifa is not an organisation, it is not a formalized group, it is a decentralized synthesis of individuals.


Do you speak for everybody that calls themselves Antifa? No, can't imagine you do. I'm sorry to inform you but since you seem to have missed out on a few things, plenty of you are happy to just run around smashing Starbucks stores up because you don't like what Milo has to say.


as anarchists, we seek to destroy all forms of authority (political, economic etc), and all forms of 'spooks' (imposed morality, ethics, religion, constitutions, law-and-order, class etc) but not install a new party, or new regime, our goal is individual liberation


That's great. We're talking about antifa, not anarchists. Unless you've got some sorta member statistics that says every last black-mask, skinny jean wearing "member" of antifa is also an anarchist, anything you want to try to wax prophetic about when it comes to anarchists is irrelevant.



posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:11 AM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: XAnarchistX

Sure, it's a generalization.

But when you use the same tactics (looking at you, forcible suppression of opposing viewpoints) then you sort of don't get to call yourself "anti" anything.

Face it: the extreme left and extreme right have more in common with each other than they do with anybody else.

What do you refer to?
Yelling at people you disagree with is not forcible suppression.



posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:12 AM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

"Violence" is based on some spooky morality/ethics nonsense, "Violence" is not fascism, fascist use tactics to install fascism, Anti-fascist use tactics to destroy fascism

Not the same



posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:12 AM
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a reply to: Greven

Lulz.


Yelling at people you disagree with is not forcible suppression.


Because that's all antifa has done, right?

Mmmkay.



posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

Like I said, over 90% of people who synthesize with Antifa are anarchists



posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: XAnarchistX

Ah, well if you're just going to redefine things to suit your agenda, then there's no point in discussing much of anything, is there?

Sorry, but trying to pretend that people not liking getting punched in the face or hit with a bike lock is just "based on some spooky morality/ethics nonsense" is, again, borderline retarded.



posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: Grambler




Some on the left however do use some of the same tactics and goals.


You guys are nuts. Care to put something up now or are you going to repeat this ridiculous talking point until we're too tired to ask on which planet it would make some sense?

It's not that you're comparing Stalinists or the SED-Stasi with Nazis here. And even if you would - the fact, that all of them actually killed people, doesn't mean that their goals are interchangeable.

Only idiots would try to argue this way, just saying.
edit on 5-8-2017 by PublicOpinion because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:14 AM
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About 5% of Americans identify as Left.



posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

American Antifa is extremely watered down and has a lot of coffeeshop anarchist and "activist" who try and have the louder voice



posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:16 AM
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a reply to: XAnarchistX


American Antifa is extremely watered down and has a lot of coffeeshop anarchist and "activist" who try and have the louder voice


So that's an admission you don't really have the balls to step up to the big leagues I guess.

Well at least we can agree on that.

#downwithstarbuckswindows



posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:16 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Painterz
I mean, no offence, but people really shouldn't use these words if they don't know what they mean.


Firstly, the 'left' in American politics does not exist. The democrats are a party of the center-right.


This is a lie. Was Bernie center right? Antifa that believes in anarchy is center right?


Second, you cannot be a leftist and a fascist at the same time.



Definition of fascism


often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

www.merriam-webster.com...


Thank you for posting that definition of fascism. I always kind of took it with a grain of salt when people called Trump a fascist, but him and his administration fit that definition to a T.

Thank you for opening my eyes to what they really are..




posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: Shamrock6




The argument that "oh American Antifa hasn't killed anybody, so they don't do anything fascist" is borderline retarded.


Yeah... cuz we need decent double standarts to make a moronic point!

Sure shot.




posted on Aug, 5 2017 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

I'm not pretending that people don't like it, I'm saying that "Violence" is based on some spooky "Right/Wrong" Morality nonsense.

"Violence" doesn't automatical equal fascist




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