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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: SprocketUK
Violence is not fascism, violence is a spook, based on some moralistic right-wrong nonsense
fascism is an ideology
originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Konduit
Who defended Soros? he is our enemy, he may fund Democratic and Liberal groups but not anarchists or Antifa, and that is what makes this Conspiracy about as intelligent as the "Muh Russia", we want Soros destroyed
originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: SprocketUK
So your grandfather was a fascist?
originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: SprocketUK
Fascism is an ideology, again "Violence" is a spook, violence is not "fascism"
what about State-sanctioned violence, is that fascism? by your reasoning would you admit Police are fascists? all governments have been fascists etc
Fascist violence is that which is designed to either deny a person their voice or another their ability to hear a dissenting opinion.
originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: SprocketUK
Actually you just said "Using violence to shut someone up or stop them being heard is one of the cornerstones of fascism."
I just found it ironic that you missed that he was using physical force to keep people from freely discussing whatever they wanted and that that fits exactly what you had just posted.
Fascist violence is that which is designed to either deny a person their voice or another their ability to hear a dissenting opinion.
Now you are just shifting goalposts.
originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: SprocketUK
Violence doesn't make the fascist, their thought/ideology make them a fascist, just like violence didn't make people Nazi's it was their belief and their ideology
originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: JBIZZ
Your assessment is wrong though, the only way communism exist is without a government to regulate things and create hierarchies and classes
originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Simon_Boudreaux
Autonomous, egalitarian, non-hierarchal spaces have existed before capitalism, colonialism, and imperialism,
originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: SprocketUK
But quashing dissent wasn't part of "If you believe you have the right to gag another human," post?
Don't get me wrong, I believe your grandfather had every right to toss whoever he wanted out of his place. I'm just saying that you made a vague statement that applies to what was going on there.
The fact remains that he used force to shut them up yet, you still don't think that made him a fascist.
So, it would seem that you agree with XAnarchistX to a point with the caveat that you want to let some things slide.
originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: SprocketUK
One can have fascists beliefs and follow the ideology and never be "violent", and one can be "violent" and never be a fascist