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American Leftists Are Fascists Marching ‘Under the Banner of Anti-Fascism

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posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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its not that deep. i did not fancy antifa due to property damage in my city. then i heard the fake free speech people( nazis, aryan nation, proud boys, etc) were coming to town. I saw allies. the enemy of my enemy is my friend. do I agree with all the antifa strategy does ? no . but im not going to sit idle while white supremist attempt to justify hate. The lines are drawn.




posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 08:19 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14


Thank you! Yes, the Democrats are not left, but center right wingers. Both parties are right wing, which is hilarious because right wingers often try to claim that both parties are left, the opposite of reality on actual policy and procedure.


LOL...wow, another one trying to change reality because he/she doesn't want to accept facts...


originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
I agree with you that most real leftists are not focused on identity politics, but instead things like economic class, anti war and anti imperialism, etc.


Which is why the majority of democrats in power have backed far left wing groups like BLM... Several senators have even protested with BLM... Obama backed BLM even when they were openly calling for the deaths of police officers and all white people... This is evidence that the majority of democrats are actual very far left.

As for your claim that the right "claims the right is leftist"...what in the world are you talking about?... There are RINOs (Republicans In Name Only) who happen to be very progressive in the Republican party. If you look at the votes of those people, like Paul Ryan, almost half or more of their votes are "progressive".

Right now we have a RINO, Mueller, working with democrats to try to depose President Trump. That does not mean "the right is leftist"... What it means is that globalists have infiltrated very "progressive" senators in the Republican party to try to stop changes done by Republicans. We have been seen this happen now that Trump is in power, and democrats alongside RINOs have been working together to stop President Trump from changing "progressive" legislation such as "obamacare".



originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
It's the faux left that is focused on it, or useful idiots. In fact, many of us leftists AND many conservatives now believe that while there are real racial or gender issues historically, current day identity politics is being used as a weapon to split people from unity and keep them from focusing on the real issue: most of us of all backgrounds are being oppressed by an elite oligarchy.


That's what the Chinese communists said, they went after the capitalist people and look at the history of China under communist rule...

That's what the Cuban communists/revolutionary also said, claiming that if they were in power everyone will prosper as the money of the "capitalists" would be redistributed... Look at the history of Cuba under communist rule... before communism Cuba was the jewel of the caribbean. Now it is a just another left-wing dictatorship...

That's what the soviets (communists) said, they also redistributed the wealth of the "capitalists" and look at the history of the Soviet Union under communist rule...

That's what the Chavistas/communists said... They redistributed the wealth of the "capitalists" and look at the history of Venezuela under communist rule...

Seriously, when are left-wingers going to realize that their "experiment always fails, implants left-wing dictatorships, oppresses the majority of people, and makes the majority of people poorer, hungry, and even starving...



Sorry, prove to me through actual historical and policy reasons why the Democratic party since Bill Clinton is actually "leftist." You will fail. The policies on most issues, from economic to trade to foreign policy, are just like the republicans mostly right wing. As in virtually no real scholar will agree with you that the Dems are "left wing." This is just silliness from conservatives trying to pretend it is.

You see, you can't reinvent history nor definitions. And, using false American definitions of right versus left is myopic, and inaccurate. Being a "Democrat" is not the definition of left. All I hear from you in fact is a complete redefinition of terminology that is born out of right wing sub cultures ONLY in the US that think all of this.

The only thing you are correct about is that real leftists see issues more in economic terms, not racial or gender, which is partly the topic of the whole op! That is exactly what I just said!

My point was also correct, that the identity politics crap is not identical to traditional leftism, and is more indicative of cynical establishment Dem politics.

Finally, have you not seen your own brethren on here talking about the "deep state," or real ruling powers? That is the oligarchy or shadow government to which I am referring. Do you deny that this exists?

It is YOU who manipulated my statement to mean "redistributing the wealth." Don't put words in my mouth.



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 09:33 PM
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originally posted by: magnetik
its not that deep. i did not fancy antifa due to property damage in my city. then i heard the fake free speech people( nazis, aryan nation, proud boys, etc) were coming to town. I saw allies. the enemy of my enemy is my friend. do I agree with all the antifa strategy does ? no . but im not going to sit idle while white supremist attempt to justify hate. The lines are drawn.


If you choose to stand on the side of the line of the neck-bearded, basement dwellers who wouldn't be able to fight their way out of a wet paper bag then all I can really say is good luck to you because you'll need it.



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Konduit

You have been proven wrong, Antifa has been a worldwide synthesis, saying we consist of "butt-hurt Dems and dumb, impressionable kids" again shows your ignorance, I have stated numerous times, we consist of a majority (over 90%) anarchists, we hate all presidents, we are not "Muh #Resistance" that is the Liberals.

The only reasons it is getting any kind of "Media Attention" is because of 1 Social Media, and 2 the "Media" is using it as manipulation of this "Trumps supporters vs Hillary Supporters" which is a false narrative.

What you may not seem to understand is Antifa is not a group, it is not an organisation, it is a decentralized synthesis of individuals (majority anarchist) that organise for an action


Are you trying to convince us... or yourself?

The thing about ANTIFA is that anyone can put on a black shirt, pick up a sign and claim to be "anti-Fascist"... and right now their ranks have been overwhelmed by left-wing ideologues.

It must burn knowing that your "movement" has been co-opted by the left and re-branded by liberal campus SJW's. Nobody believes ANTIFA are anarchists anymore. They've successfully turned it into a partisan joke.






posted on Aug, 7 2017 @ 12:53 AM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX


You are wrong, the places you named are State-Socialism, not communism, if you look into the beginning theory of communism it says "Abolish the state"
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Governments removed...


And you are wrong... Communists claim a lot of things that are nothing but lies... In order for a communist regime to exist the 10 planks of communism must be implemented...

Guess what the ten planks of communism say?... To concentrate all power to the state... Communists claim that "there is no government" when they need to destroy and supplant "capitalist systems"...

No government = anarchism... Anarchism is not communism... Communists/socialists like yourself only show to not understand those left-wing ideals you all claim "will make the world a better place"...



posted on Aug, 7 2017 @ 01:00 AM
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a reply to: Konduit

That Soro's conspiracy is as bad as the "Muh Russia Conspiracy" it lacks any integrity and intellectual thought.

True, anyone can take part in Antifa actions, it is not an organisation, it is not a "funded top-down hierarchal structured operation" it is a decentralized synthesis of individuals.

But yes, over 90% are anarchist, Liberals have always hijacked revolutionary language to manipulate people into funding their political party, I mean, Liberals pretty much hijack everything to manipulate funding to their political party.

but you will find more Liberals synthesizing with "RefuseFascism" then with "Antifa" (and they are not the same)

It is also true that a lot of American anarchists are of the "Coffeeshop social-anarchist" essentially all slogans and talk and no actual actions

we are critical and despise many of those people as well,

"We hate both the hand that holds the whip and the back which passively endures it.”

There are many like myself, whose anarchy is pure black



posted on Aug, 7 2017 @ 01:05 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I am not a communist, Marx advocated transitioning the State into a 'dictatorship of the proletariat" socialism until the state withered away and eventually abolished and then true communism would be put in place, that is why anarchists reject the Marxist/Leninist/Maoist theory.


But the end result of communism is an absence of the state



posted on Aug, 7 2017 @ 01:09 AM
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Bingo.



edit on 7-8-2017 by Kromlech because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 7 2017 @ 01:51 AM
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originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

Sorry, prove to me through actual historical and policy reasons why the Democratic party since Bill Clinton is actually "leftist." You will fail. The policies on most issues, from economic to trade to foreign policy, are just like the republicans mostly right wing. As in virtually no real scholar will agree with you that the Dems are "left wing." This is just silliness from conservatives trying to pretend it is.


Actually it didn't start with the Clintons... It has been happening for a long time. For example, in 1913 Woodrow Wilson a "progressive democrat", and the democrat majority senate/house voted to implement the Federal Reserve giving the power of the coin to a group of people whom Congress can not control, when the Constitution states that Congress should have the power to issue coin. In that same year Wilson, and the majority progressive Democrats also implemented stringent regulations against businesses, they changed the tax code and implemented the IRS as we know it now with its' "progressive taxes".

Then there were the changes implemented by the "New Deal" with the second phase of the "New Deal" being even more "progressive". Whiles some of the changes did help alleviate the problems of the Depression, which in part was caused by the regulations on businesses implemented in 1913 by progressive democrats, there were also other changes which gave more power to unions, and now unions are oppressive demanding members to only vote democrat, and forcing members to rally behind every idea from union bosses, even if those ideas were bad.

If you want to talk about Bill Clinton... ok... Let's talk about some of his policies that were/are very left wing... For example, the ban on assault rifles that Clinton implemented.

The bill Clinton implemented banning soldiers in our military bases access to firearms. After that several murders have occurred in our military bases because our own soldiers could not defend themselves with firearms in military bases...

Bill Clinton severely cut the military budget. We were undermanned, due in great part for a lack of funding. Many of us had to pull double duty, we had less money for training, and for equipment. Obama did the same thing.

Bill Clinton implemented the "wet foot/dry foot" policy on Cubans, which made it even harder for Cubans who were trying to escape the communist regime. Before this left-wing policy which catered to the communist regime in Cuba, if the U.S. Coast Guard found stranded Cubans at sea as they tried to escape, the Coast Guard would help those Cubans. With Clinton's new policy, Cubans had to set their feet in dry land to get asylum. Otherwise the orders from Clinton, and since then have been to detain and deport Cubans back to the communist regime, which would mean those Cubans lost their jobs, many were imprisoned, and even sentenced to death.

Heck, Clinton catered to castro once again when castro ordered two of his migs to shoot down civilian airplanes from "hermanos al rescate" in international waters... There were even American and hispanic fishermen who saw the migs shoot down the civilian airplanes in international waters which killed all aboard... Clinton and the left did nothing...

Clinton once again catered to the communist regime when Elian Gonzalez and his mother tried to escape Cuba. on the trip Elian's mother died. Castro used Elian as more proof that he had Clinton wrapped around his finger when Clinton ordered the police to take by force Elian from the home of his relatives who lived in Miami.

Those are some of the "very left-wing policies" implemented by Clinton off the top of my head. But like I already wrote, this tendency to "implement more and more left-wing policies" did not start with Clinton. Of course, Obama catered even more to the communist regime than Clinton did.

Bill Clinton also increased taxes on higher income taxpayers from the beginning of his term to the end.


originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
You see, you can't reinvent history nor definitions. And, using false American definitions of right versus left is myopic, and inaccurate. Being a "Democrat" is not the definition of left. All I hear from you in fact is a complete redefinition of terminology that is born out of right wing sub cultures ONLY in the US that think all of this.


Let's see who is "myopic"...



...
The Democratic Party is one of the two major contemporary political parties in the United States, along with the Republican Party. Tracing its heritage back to Thomas Jefferson and James Madison's Democratic-Republican Party, the modern-day Democratic Party was founded around 1828 by supporters of Andrew Jackson, making it the world's oldest active party.[13]

The Democrats' dominant worldview was once social conservativism and economic liberalism, while—especially in the rural South—populism was its leading characteristic. In 1912, Theodore Roosevelt ran as a third-party candidate in the Progressive ("Bull Moose") Party, leading to a switch of political platforms between the Democratic and Republican Party and Woodrow Wilson being elected as the first fiscally progressive Democrat. Since Franklin D. Roosevelt and his New Deal coalition in the 1930s, the Democratic Party has also promoted a social-liberal platform,[3] supporting social justice.[14]

Today, the House Democratic caucus is composed mostly of progressives and centrists,[6] with a smaller minority of conservative Democrats. The party's philosophy of modern liberalism advocates social and economic equality, along with the welfare state.[15] It seeks to provide government intervention and regulation in the economy.[16] These interventions, such as the introduction of social programs, support for labor unions, affordable college tuitions, moves toward universal health care...

en.wikipedia.org...(United_States)


originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
The only thing you are correct about is that real leftists see issues more in economic terms, not racial or gender, which is partly the topic of the whole op! That is exactly what I just said!


You obviously either didn't understand a word I wrote, or in your myopic ramble you are making claims of things I never wrote... Leftists for the most part, not all but for the most part are as racist as neo-nazis when hispanics, or other people who have lived through communism have tried to explain the truth about communism.

There are plenty of videos of leftists becoming rabid racists, telling people to "go back to your country" among other things when that "foreigner" person leans to the right in politics. The majority of you claim not to be racists, yet many of you are as racist as the worse neo-nazis.









and how the most idiotic leftists actually think about minorities... Watch these leftists, like many others, claim that "minorities don't have access to ids/dmv or computers and the internet.... Then watch minorities debunk this leftwing lie.



Shoot, and Clinton, and her DNC staff?... Do you forget that there were several emails in which Hillary and her DNC staff became also rabid racists "when no one is watching"?...

edit on 7-8-2017 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Aug, 7 2017 @ 02:10 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So what are you arguing? They are all the same. Why advocate for either group?



posted on Aug, 7 2017 @ 02:29 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So what are you arguing? They are all the same. Why advocate for either group?


They are not all the same... All Republicans are not "racist" nor whatever other labels leftists try to stick on us... There are as many, if not more racists in the left as there are in the right. The left just uses "racism" along other labels as excuses to denigrade Republicans in general and to "impose their will on everyone". Neither are all Republicans in favor of corporations. Being in favor of business is not the same as being in favor of corporations or all that they do.



posted on Aug, 7 2017 @ 02:34 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You mentioned parties not individual party members. Both parties seem to bow to the the same end. What are you argiung?



posted on Aug, 7 2017 @ 02:47 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik

You mentioned parties not individual party members. Both parties seem to bow to the the same end. What are you argiung?


Both parties do not "bow to the same end"... if you read the U.S. Constitution the founding fathers agreed that the best form of government that would protect and represent the people is a Republican form of government.



U.S. Constitution - Article 4 Section 4
Article 4 - The States
Section 4 - Republican Government



The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

www.usconstitution.net...


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Republic

That form of government in which the administration of affairs is open to all the citizens. A political unit or "state," independent of its form of government.

The word republic, derived from the Latin res publica, or "public thing," refers to a form of government where the citizens conduct their affairs for their own benefit rather than for the benefit of a ruler. Historically republics have not always been democratic in character, however. For example, the ancient Republic of Venice was ruled by an aristocratic elite.

In the U.S. historical tradition, the belief in republicanism shaped the U.S. Revolution and Constitution. Before the revolution, leaders developed many political theories to justify independence from Great Britain. Thomas Paine, in his book Common Sense (1776), called for a representative government for the colonies and for a written constitution. Paine rejected the legitimacy of the monarchy to have a part in government. This attack on the king was echoed the following year in the Declaration of Independence, where Thomas Jefferson proposed that colonists reject the monarchy and become republican citizens. Framers of the U.S. Constitution intended to create a republican government. Article IV, Section 4, states "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government…." Though the language was vague, the authors of the Constitution clearly intended to prevent the rise to power of either a monarchy or a hereditary aristocracy. Article I, Section 9, states, "No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States," and most state constitutions have similar provisions.
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legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...

As to what I am arguing?... Read what i wrote, not going to repeat myself.


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posted on Aug, 7 2017 @ 02:54 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The founding fathers were not part of any party in this day and age.

The current parties didn't even exist then.

No need to repeat yourself, it was wrong the first time around.


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posted on Aug, 7 2017 @ 02:55 AM
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a reply to: daskakik

Is that why the U.S. Constitution specifies that every state shall guarantee a Republican form of government?... Because the Republican ideals didn't exist?...

It is you that is wrong. I presented evidence, you presented your ill-informed opinion.
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posted on Aug, 7 2017 @ 02:59 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Evidence of what? I'm questioning both sides because they have both ended up at the same place.

You're own words "claim a lot of things that are nothing but lies... " Both side have done this. You can't deny this.



posted on Aug, 7 2017 @ 03:08 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Is that why the U.S. Constitution specifies...


A piece of paper can?t enforce anything. It takes people's will to make things happen.


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posted on Aug, 7 2017 @ 06:55 AM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX


"Muh Antifa are the real fascists"

Some people on the alt-right don't even believe that nonsense.

People clearly have no knowledge of Antifa (unless you read right-propaganda nonsense) or the people who engage in Antifa-actions.



They start fist fights with people that have different opinions. I don't think you have knowledge of Antifa, or choose to ignore the truth.



posted on Aug, 7 2017 @ 08:14 AM
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I don't like either wing but I notice
the right sure doesn't like to own up
to their facist roots. So much so
the left are now fascists ? How can the left
be facist and socialist and commies ?



posted on Aug, 7 2017 @ 09:20 AM
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These left and right, capitalist and socialist, pro life and pro abortion, homosexual and heterosexual, blah blah blah things are nothing but distractions designed to take our mind off real issues. Sadly, it works for far too many people. There are many more have nots than haves, yet the American people remain stuck with a dysfunctional democratic republic, a government that works for the corporations by the corporations. It's really that simple. Ignorance is bliss, and what could be more blissful than the American dream?



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