In your opinion where does Canada stand if there is a WW3

I'm with AlwaysLearning on this, 100%, and am also an American. If it were a World War, Canada would most likely be in there before we were, at least historically this appears to be the case.

And, for those who kept saying there's never been a war between the US and Canada, I refer you to the War of 1812.

why would somoeone even post this unless there is doubt to canadas willingness to fight ?

We do something in our own interest and self-preservation, and we are imperialist nazis.
yet, when there is genocide going on or a tsunami, where does the world look for action like ts our responsibility to be world police/rescue ?

thats why the criticizm gets under my skin. would canada benefit from us preventing obl's goal of uniting pakistans nukes with SA's oil for a muslim superpower ? put that in your pipe and smoke it. OBL sitting on oil and nukes. sounds lovely

Originally posted by thelibra
I'm with AlwaysLearning on this, 100%, and am also an American. If it were a World War, Canada would most likely be in there before we were, at least historically this appears to be the case.

And, for those who kept saying there's never been a war between the US and Canada, I refer you to the War of 1812.

wasn't the war of 1812 invloving french troops based out of canada ?

Originally posted by radagast
We do something in our own interest and self-preservation, and we are imperialist nazis.

I can understand your frustration. But I'd like to ask you one question. Why is it OK for the US to look out for it's own interests, but not for any other country? Can you say 'US foreign policies are hypocritical'?

Originally posted by thelibra
I'm with AlwaysLearning on this, 100%, and am also an American. If it were a World War, Canada would most likely be in there before we were, at least historically this appears to be the case.

And, for those who kept saying there's never been a war between the US and Canada, I refer you to the War of 1812.

The War of 1812 was fought between the United States and Great Britain from June 1812 to the spring of 1815, although the peace treaty ending the war was signed in Europe in December 1814. The main land fighting of the war occurred along the Canadian border, in the Chesapeake Bay region, and along the Gulf of Mexico; extensive action also took place at sea.

candians are wimps, they let us do the digging, then complain the hole isn't deep enough

Yeah Canada will aid America in any threat to the North American continent(just like we did at 9/11 in Afganistan wasn't a HUGE role but we did help). I would join up in such surcumstances(in the event of an Invasion of the N. American or European Continents). I probably would not be in any fighting position, but I would want to help any way I could. Attacking countries on false pretenses I do not condone. Defending ones own country and allies from an invader is the only just war in my opinion.

radagast, you ever study WW2, WW1 or Korean War history? In WW2 we were fighting and dying FOR 2 YEARS while you yanks sat back and did nothing. Didn't they teach any non-US WW2 involvement in school anymore in America?

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Originally posted by Jakomo
Is it our fault that the only people in the world who actively seem to hate Canadians are some Americans? Works for me.

Hey, ummm... Truth be told, no one in America really hates Canada. It's kind of a big, long, overly drawn-out joke. The joke is usually found in shows like South Park, because Canada is an ally, is full of friendly people of a good disposition, and we all know that there's nothing to actually hate about Canada, which is why the joke, originally, was funny.

Unfortunately, if there's one thing us Americans like to do, it's beat a joke to death until people either start believing it, or get so sick of it that they change the channel. So really, no one here in the USA hates Canada. We really really don't. It's just this long tedious ongoing joke.

I think it's largely because Canada is safe to pick on, because everyone knows it's okay to pick on English speaking white males, and our stereotypical image of a Canadian is a white male who more or less speaks English. If it's any consolation, we also make fun of the British.

Originally posted by radagast
candians are wimps, they let us do the digging, then complain the hole isn't deep enough

AL, AL, do you want this one?

OK then I'll take it. Both world wars, we were there before you. We took your planes that might be bombs into our airports on 9/11 because you were too scared. Who's the wimp?

Did it ever occur to you that the only country Canada is even remotely concerned about being attacked by is the United States?

Originally posted by radagast
why would somoeone even post this unless there is doubt to canadas willingness to fight ?

My starting this post has nothing to do with that.
My concern is that this could very easily be a situation in the new future.
I am concerned about Canada's ability to defend the soil of North America.
Not only is there a possibility of war via the ways we have discussed already but Canada might have to defend the true north.
The Arctic ice cap is melting twice as fast as we thought before. This means that soon we will be able to dig for resources in the north. There are only small communities this far north and how can they defend them selves if someone else was interested in taking these resources?

First it was shameful that the US took so long to get involved in WWI and WWII.
The isolationist views of the time would be nice today.

It's been thrown around alot that Canada was involved in those wars from the outset. My question to Canadians as I am not sure on the status, wasn't Canada part of the British Empire then or as a Commonwealth obliged to join England in the war from an early date?

I am not belittling Canada's involvement in any way, I am just curious as to the facts of that status and the best people to ask are Canadians.

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Umbrax, alot of people in the Canadian Armed forces are greatly concerned about the prospect as well. Our Navy is a joke, our Air Force is Medeocre at best, our Heli Fleet needs to be replaced so badly(we use SeeKing helis ) Our Army is fairly well equipped allthough sometimes we get the wrong camo giving to them(ie Being givin Green Camo for a Desert and Mountainous Climate) and they are very well trained, has the best snipers in the world(which is really one of the only things going for us beside JTF2) and crack Spec Forces. Some of the military buffs I have spoken too on this site say Canadian spec forces are very good(I doubted it at the time but have since educated myself a bit) So basically if someone wanted to lay claim to the Northern Territories we'd be screwed unless the US helps us(which they are obligated to do, what with NORAD and all the mutual defence pacts we have signed with the US) It would take a significant threat though to fix all the problems in our military as the Public has to acknoledge it as well.

en.wikipedia.org...

On July 1, 1867, with the passing of the British North America Act, the British government granted a Constitution to a federation of four provinces formed from three of its North American colonies, Canada, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia. The former Province (colony) of Canada formed two provinces of the new Dominion of Canada, being partitioned into Quebec and Ontario along the old boundary between Lower and Upper Canada. The term Confederation refers to this act of union and is often used for the resulting federation.

Other British colonies and territories soon joined Confederation: by 1880 Canada included all of its present area except for Newfoundland and Labrador (which joined in 1949). Full control over the Dominion's affairs officially came in 1931 with the Statute of Westminster, and in 1982 with the patriation of Canada's constitution.

Well lookie here I found the actual proclamation of War.

collections.civilisations.ca...
Have a long, PDF Format btw

www.warmuseum.ca...

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The US has 2 large airforce bases in Alaska that would help to protect the northern western parts of North America. If our Canadian friends soverign territory were ever to be violated the US would be right at your side helping to defend your property.


We are like 2 brothers, we may fist fight each other but if someone ever #ucked with the other one woe onto them.

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Originally posted by cryptorsa1001
If our Canadian friends soverign territory were ever to be violated the US would be right at your side helping to defend your property.

I would like to think that as well. As it stands right now though, there are two countries testing our northern borders. Denmark, and yes, the US.

Warships, both surface and subsurface, are not covered in this agreement. The U.S. claims that its unrestricted right to use Canadian waters was covered by earlier secret agreements and so did not have to be dealt with in the Arctic Pact. Canada will not know when American submarines are in its waters or what they are doing there.

www.peacemagazine.org...

thelibra:

Hey, ummm... Truth be told, no one in America really hates Canada. It's kind of a big, long, overly drawn-out joke. The joke is usually found in shows like South Park, because Canada is an ally, is full of friendly people of a good disposition, and we all know that there's nothing to actually hate about Canada, which is why the joke, originally, was funny.

I agree 100%, that's why I said only "some" Americans. I've travelled extensively in the States, mostly the East and West Coast and I've actually been insulted by people for being a Canadian. "French loving bastard" is one of the epithets hurled at me. "Your country is full of socialist cowards" was another one.

Of course, I've also met hundreds of fantastic American people, but as you know, it tends to be the bad apples that you particularly remember, and I'm sure it's jaded me a bit. But when I think of your average American, I visualize just a normal human being, no real distinct attributes that differentiate them from the rest of the world.

But when you get bad apples, MAN are they bad

I just read the article and think that is #ucked up. The agreement was signed during the cold war so I am sure that had an influence on your Represenatives signing it.

What is the US doing now in the acrtic. Just scientific research or taking resources?

I think they are keeping an eye on the Russians. Some of that good-ole cold war paranoia.

You would think that it would be better for the US if they weren't international waters. Then we could keep everyone out of the north for you (if you wanted to lend us some helicopters and subs )

Hey Duzey, how bout if we loan you the hillbillies in West Virginia. They shoot at anything that moves, that is why I do not go deer hunting there anymore.

It is truly unsettling to see Canadians and Americans fighting over anything. We are, metaphorically, joined at the hip by a border. We are, in most cases , pretty common to a language. I think, for virtually, all our histories, we have been allies, at least after a fashion.

Interestingly, during WWII there was a joint military effort that was relatively successful. The First Special Services Force a.k.a. "The Devil's Brigade". Truly some of the baddest of the bad.

Seems silly to walk around with collective chips on our shoulders regarding each other here on this forum when, in fact, by previous example, we don't know what our governments are going to do..

I have good friends in Canada that I would go to assist in a New York minute, and I am certain they would be there for me if the shoe were on the other foot.

I think if we're going to fight about something, let's make it a sensible subject, like which swamp they get LaBatz out of...

Uh, also, the canadians aren't french loving bastards. Watch CBC news, half the time I am surprised that they aren't at war, We Want Independence! I do to! No! We Want Independence!"

Anyways, Canada has one country to worry about, America. No other country would attack cause of its allies, but AMerica? We are the ally, and well, we don't seem to care, Bush invaded Iraq for WMDs, lie, Mass Murders, lie, Iraq a threat, lie, then finally a couple months ago said to spread democracy. Canada, just hope Bush never learns you have oil, he will invade you in a heart beat. Though, wouldn't mind, have the largest country in the world, The Unted States of North America! Cool...(Canadian Bacon!)

the more I think about it, the more I think we should just drop a neutron bomb on canada. I mean, without hockey, what purpose do they serve ?

They have opinions, but don't really contribute to the world in a meaningful way. they're kinda like that friend who occasionally brings beer or herb to the party , but for the most part grubs of off you, but tells you how your stuff isn't that great anyway
Rush music is available on cd, and there's lots of quality beer to be had from England and Germany. Heck, even Mexico makes good beer.