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Matt Drudge is terrorizing Donald Trump

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posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 08:34 AM
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a reply to: luthier

Or this will be like the time when everyone knew everything about the so-called outing of Valerie Plame, and in the end, the prosecution had to tag Libby on perjury over small inconsistencies in testimony because it was also an investigation in search of a crime ... and, by god, they found one!




posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 08:35 AM
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a reply to: introvert

Clever deception!

Attempt to obfuscate reality in the discussion not by just moving the goal posts, but rather tying them up into a knot first and and setting them out in the parking lot, right? Got it!

It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to understand Trump, unlike Clinton, is nothing like the mold of career politicians and elites which form the foundation of much of American politics today. He was just smart enough to realize he needed to align with one of the two main parties to have even the remotest prayer of being elected. It's grade school math, you know.

To twist the discussion into one of the "lesser of two evils" (implying they were equals, just on opposite sides of a single fence) is nothing more than ducking reality. A clever deception, but not transparent at all.



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: introvert

The most amazing part to me was a silver spoon luxury real estate oligarch made people believe he was for the working man, and an outsider.

Hilliary was the protypical fat cat swamper.

It's truly sad for the working class to be so manipulated by politicians "saving their jobs"



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 08:38 AM
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a reply to: luthier

Of the two, who was less the politician?

There is your answer.

When you types the words "prototypical fat cat swamper," you should have realized there was no need to post.



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 08:40 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk



Clever deception! Attempt to obfuscate reality in the discussion not by just moving the goal posts, but rather tying them up into a knot first and and setting them out in the parking lot, right? Got it!


Deception? What did I say that was factually incorrect?



It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to understand Trump, unlike Clinton, is nothing like the mold of career politicians and elites which form the foundation of much of American politics today. He was just smart enough to realize he needed to align with one of the two main parties to have even the remotest prayer of being elected. It's grade school math, you know.


No. Trump is not like a politician. He's like a mafia boss. And I don't see what your point is, relevant to what I said.



To twist the discussion into one of the "lesser of two evils" (implying they were equals, just on opposite sides of a single fence) is nothing more than ducking reality. A clever deception, but not transparent at all.


I said nothing about the lesser of two evils. I said they were both bad and people fell right in line to vote for their brand of "evil".

No deception. Very straightforward.



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 08:41 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Well a guy raised as a millionaire from a father twice brought up on profiteering charges, and himself having a questionable history of legal issues, and former lobbyist, who hob knows with royalty and politicians at his resorts, sure isn't an outsider.

Pointing out problems also isn't the same as offering solutions.

When I vote I look for legislative ideas over gimmicks.



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 08:42 AM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: introvert

The most amazing part to me was a silver spoon luxury real estate oligarch made people believe he was for the working man, and an outsider.

Hilliary was the protypical fat cat swamper.

It's truly sad for the working class to be so manipulated by politicians "saving their jobs"


People vote against their own self interests regularly.

It's because they approach politics the same was as they would the NFL, or baseball, whatever.

They vote for teams, not ideas.



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 08:46 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: introvert

The most amazing part to me was a silver spoon luxury real estate oligarch made people believe he was for the working man, and an outsider.

Hilliary was the protypical fat cat swamper.

It's truly sad for the working class to be so manipulated by politicians "saving their jobs"


People vote against their own self interests regularly.

It's because they approach politics the same was as they would the NFL, or baseball, whatever.

They vote for teams, not ideas.


I agree, this is how you get conservatives defending Jeff sessions for instance.

It's very sad that more conservatives don't stand up to their own party. ATS is like an echo chamber.

I get told I am a liberal daily, yet am probably more conservative in terms of classical liberalism Tha 75 percent of Republicans.



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 08:50 AM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

No. Trump is not like a politician. ... And I don't see what your point is,..


That was my point!


I said nothing about the lesser of two evils. I said they were both bad and people fell right in line to vote for their brand of "evil".

....


Yes you did. (...and you just it did again too!) Not those exact words, but this was your implication when you defended Clinton's selection by using Trump in the two party "charade" as you put it. You mocked the selection of Trump and got called on it. You then defended your position using the two party 'charade' as a justification.

Just clever obfuscation.


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posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 08:55 AM
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Yes you did. Not those exact words, but this was your implication when you defended Clinton's selection by using Trump in the two party "charade" as you put it.


I said nothing about the lesser of two evils, as you admit, and I did not defend Clinton. I said she was bad as well.



You mocked the selection of Trump and got called on it. You then defended your position using the two party 'charade' as a justification.


I mocked the selection of both Trump and Clinton and said people fell right in line with the charade.



Just clever obfuscation.


I think you're just making # up. My comments were very clear and you are trying to make it in to something it is not.



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 09:01 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy
This is a win/win.

If Trump is proven innocent, leftist heads will explode.
I will laugh.

If Trump is guilty of crimes and is kicked out? Pence will step in and leftist heads will explode.
I will laugh.


So either way, I'm laughing.



No matter the outcome, we know one thing for sure.

The Right Wing sucks at choosing presidents.

They couldn't get their # together enough to vote in Ron Paul, but they could get Trump elected?

The alt-Right, or whatever they want to call themselves, needs to get their heads out of their asses.



Putin got Trump elected, remember?

Despite the never trumpers on the right.

Ron Paul, yeah right, another 3 time loser.






posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 09:03 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: introvert

The most amazing part to me was a silver spoon luxury real estate oligarch made people believe he was for the working man, and an outsider.

Hilliary was the protypical fat cat swamper.

It's truly sad for the working class to be so manipulated by politicians "saving their jobs"


People vote against their own self interests regularly.

It's because they approach politics the same was as they would the NFL, or baseball, whatever.

They vote for teams, not ideas.


Really? And to your previous response, how is this not a 'lesser of two evils' scenario? Just substitute the word "people" for "ideas" in your statement above. BTW...Football teams don't have 'ideas', they have a goal...to win.

You're dooming your own argument!



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 09:04 AM
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originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy
This is a win/win.

If Trump is proven innocent, leftist heads will explode.
I will laugh.

If Trump is guilty of crimes and is kicked out? Pence will step in and leftist heads will explode.
I will laugh.


So either way, I'm laughing.



No matter the outcome, we know one thing for sure.

The Right Wing sucks at choosing presidents.

They couldn't get their # together enough to vote in Ron Paul, but they could get Trump elected?

The alt-Right, or whatever they want to call themselves, needs to get their heads out of their asses.



Putin got Trump elected, remember?

Despite the never trumpers on the right.

Ron Paul, yeah right, another 3 time loser.





Yes, Ron Paul was a 3 time loser.

If there is one this the GOP/conservative party never really wanted it was to elect a real conservative.



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 09:07 AM
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Really? And to your previous response, how is this not a 'lesser of two evils' scenario?


Because there were more than two choices. Which was my original point. Not sure how you missed that.



BTW...Football teams don't have 'ideas', they have a goal...to win.


Exactly. People voted for teams, not the people with the best ideas.



You're dooming your own argument!


No. I think you are just trying to pick a fight and are deliberately misrepresenting my argument.

Either that or you don't comprehend well.



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 09:16 AM
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originally posted by: SR1TX
Lmao, what are they going to find? That his cable subscription included RT?



It's not THAT huge of a leap.

FinCEN Fines Trump Taj Mahal Casino Resort $10 Million for Significant and Long Standing Anti-Money Laundering Violations



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 09:26 AM
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originally posted by: windword

originally posted by: SR1TX
Lmao, what are they going to find? That his cable subscription included RT?



It's not THAT huge of a leap.

FinCEN Fines Trump Taj Mahal Casino Resort $10 Million for Significant and Long Standing Anti-Money Laundering Violations


Sounds like he paid a fine - interestingly the IRS were involved and have regularly audited Trump.
You'd think they would have found anything relating to money laundering for Russia...



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: introvert

You say this when Hillary was the other candidate.

You made me laugh this morning.


There was more than just two candidates?

Why did people vote for either Trump or Hillary?

Both equally as bad and people fell right in line with the two-party charade.


Yeah, our other choices were an open-border libertarian and a Greenie.

Out of the 4, Trump was still the best pick.



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 09:33 AM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: ketsuko

Well a guy raised as a millionaire from a father twice brought up on profiteering charges, and himself having a questionable history of legal issues, and former lobbyist, who hob knows with royalty and politicians at his resorts, sure isn't an outsider.

Pointing out problems also isn't the same as offering solutions.

When I vote I look for legislative ideas over gimmicks.


But that's not the point.

I don't think many who voted for him thought they were voting in a saint. I sure didn't. The media made certain sure of that. Or did you miss all those stories?

The point is that Hillary was very much what you described "a prototypical fat cat swamper," and people who voted also know that very, very well. Her history was also no mystery because she's lived it right out in the public eye. The average voter has lived it, and people do not forget!

We voted on which of those, since we had to choose, we would rather have.

It was a perverse game of Would You Rather: "Prototypical Fat Cat Swamper" or "This Guy"

Look at DC's poll numbers and there's your answer.



posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 09:34 AM
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Because there were more than two choices. Which was my original point. Not sure how you missed that.


I didn't miss it at all! In fact, it is this very concept which is wholly my point to you. There were indeed more than two choices. But, as you've apparently failed to realize, or are simply unwilling to acknowledge, ... no other candidate outside of these two parties has a prayer of winning an election in this country as long as the two party "charade" (as you put it) continues. This forces the issue of 'lesser of two evils' (to everyone with simple math skills above that of a 5th grader anyway).



No. I think you are just trying to pick a fight and are deliberately misrepresenting my argument.

Either that or you don't comprehend well.


Oh, on the contrary; I 'comprehend' quite well actually! What I am trying to get you to comprehend is...

You have presented an argument with oblique references to a two-party political system, and then attempt to deny a 'lesser of two evils' scenario when it comes to elections...OF those same two parties.

What you are failing to understand is, Trump wasn't a staunch member of either of those two parties. And, even though you acknowledge Clinton was a bad selection for the democrats, yet you still use a lesser of two evils argument to explain Trump's election. My point to you has been, and continues to be, Trump was not a hard-core republican OR democrat prior to the past election cycle, but he knew he had to choose a side. If anything, Trump is an 'anti-establimentarian' (if that were a party)...and it was this, more than anything else, which got him elected via a lesser of two evils decision process. People chose him over even some of the establishment republicans whom they otherwise loathe. Not the other way around (and maybe this is the fundamental misunderstanding on your part here). People pushed Trump over the edge not because they wanted the republicans, but rather because they wanted someone outside the mold of the establishment (both right and left). And that is what Trump represents (and it also explains why he's not well liked among many republicans as well).

Now, honestly, I shouldn't have had to spend the time to break it down to that simplistic of a level for you to understand, I think you're a little brighter than this. But whatever, there you have it.

In any case, carry on.




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posted on Aug, 4 2017 @ 09:38 AM
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a reply to: AnkhMorpork

Mueller should realize that we wont accept anything that is done just out of spite.

He may find himself the target of millions of people.

If there is no Russia connection, and Trump is bothered while no one else is, blood will run.

There is a limit to everything. When people forget they need be reminded. We are but mere mortals. All of us.



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