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Trump Admits he Punked his Supporters on Mexico Paying for the Wall

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posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 12:27 PM
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The Washington Post has obtained transcripts of the phone calls between the President and leaders of Mexico and Australia, the transcripts are said to confirm his call with the Australian President didn't go well and show Trump used the prospect of building a wall and Mexico paying for it as a political tool to rally the faithful.

At one point in his call with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, Trump even acknowledges that the wall is “the least important thing we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important.”


Trump spent much of his call with Pena Nieto just trying to convince him to stop talking about how Mexico would not pay for the wall. Trump even suggested he would fudge it in the end so that both sides could claim they didn't give in.
“We should both say, ‘We will work it out.’ It will work out in the formula somehow,” Trump said. “As opposed to you saying, ‘We will not pay,’ and me saying, ‘We will not pay.’ ”

Pena Nieto said Trump's promise had put a “very big mark on our back” and “is an issue related to the dignity of Mexico and goes to the national pride of my country.” Trump's response to all of that was basically: Okay, well let's just stop talking about it publicly.
www.washingtonpost.com... 5e0d

Ever the showman.

But Hillary ... Fake News .... Obama ....



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posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 12:32 PM
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Hold on a sec, I'm trying to work up some shock.............


Nope sorry. I tried though! Damn you ATS for desensitizing me.

-Alee


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posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: NerdGoddess

Haha, no kidding..at this point what would it take to actually shock anyone with the turdburglars in charge now.



posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 12:35 PM
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Haven't you caught on yet? The ends justify the means. We will make up Russian interference to remove a president and we will blow smoke up Mexico's arse to get them to cooperate. As long as the wall goes up he isn't punking anybody except dumb democrats that like to play word games. Supporters don't care who pays for it.


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posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: gortex

Uh oh Trump compromised with the Mexican president. Fascist... Racist...

But that's how Trump makes deals according to his own admission.

" In fact, be forewarned – if you do close at your very first offer, you may have used persuasion, not negotiation, and later, the other side may have “remorse” about the deal."

I bet you didn't even know how he was going to get Mexico to pay for the wall, the plans of which were on his website since the beginning of his campaign.



posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: gortex

You went full WaPo, you never go full WaPo.

On topic: Is the president and his administration's stance on illegal immigration bearing fruit do you think?

Maybe the wall gets built, maybe not, who knows? One thing is for sure though, illegal immigration will go down.




posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 12:38 PM
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The entire wall costs about 20 billion, a drop in the bucket compared to the annual budget. It's not even like 0.001% of the annual budget. Mexico will pay nothing, and the wall will stop Mexicans coming in.



posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: gortex

"But Hillary ... Fake News .... Obama ...."

We can have all the stories at once ya know. The media put some much time into the same damn stories and doesn't leave enough for anything else.



posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: vonclod

You're right I'm not shocked anymore and don't take any headlines especially from the wallstreet journal seriously.

I gave up trying to weed out the lies and just let both parties celebrate their comfirmation bias.

This story means nothing period. Trump supporters don't care as long as the wall is built. Omg trump used a political issue to get elected I'm so surprised



posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 12:41 PM
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a reply to: gortex

It's all about the context. Basically, Enrique could keep hard-lining to the media and Trump would just impose tariffs on imported products from Mexico, build the wall and allow it to work itself out. The other option was to keep it vague with the media and he would allow Jared and Luis to continue a different route of negotiations beneficial for both the U.S. and Mexico since they are neighbors afterall.

From the source:



Okay, Enrique, that is fine and I think it is fair. I do not bring up the wall but when the press brings up the wall, I will say, “let us see how it is going – let us see how it is working out with Mexico.” Because from an economic issue, it is the least important thing we were talking about, but psychologically, it means something so let us just say “we will work it out.” And if you want to do that, then we will go back to the negotiation table with Jared and Luis. And I am sure they can work something out that is good for both nations, and obviously that would be a positive thing. And I am sort of in this bad position because the deal that they are making is not nearly as good as the deal I could impose tomorrow – in fact this afternoon. I do not have to go back to Congress or to the Senate. I do not need the vote of 400 people. I have the powers to do all of this, and I came to the office this morning and I met with a group of people – we had a plan to just go into what I wanted to do for two years. But I know what you are saying, it is something that is good for you. It is very important for you to understand this – I want the best solution also for Mexico. I do not just want a great solution for the United States. And what I am talking about is not a good solution for Mexico – it is a great solution for the United States, which is a tariff on everything coming into our country. Now, that is the best solution economically for the United States, but I feel very strongly that it is important that as our neighbor, we have a strong relationship – the stronger the better.



posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 12:46 PM
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Well a moat would be better with spikes of one side. Would be cheaper and creat a new eco system. Would also be better cause now Mexico cartels build tunnel systems. So no a wall would not keep them out. They would have one easy system to over come a 20bil project. Obtain the blue prints in some fashion and just dig to the depth needed.... Foola reply to: allsee4eye



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posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 12:53 PM
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You went full WaPo, you never go full WaPo.

The quote shows once again Trump speaks with fork tongue.

Trump even acknowledges that the wall is “the least important thing we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important.”




On topic: Is the president and his administration's stance on illegal immigration bearing fruit do you think?

Probably , the figures will be good to bolster support with the faithful.
Weak leaders always need an enemy.



posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 12:54 PM
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linki picked a crazy mews outlet that I really don't like but figured that you are a regular there. Read that then do some admin research and use outher out lets to foem you own thought about this issie.a reply to: allsee4eye




posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 12:56 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

I bet you didn't even know how he was going to get Mexico to pay for the wall, the plans of which were on his website since the beginning of his campaign.


Ahhh! Von Clump told you! I should have shot him with my little tank !

Methinks the plans changed somewhat, probably even before any phone calls, and then they changed again, and then they changed again. Last time I heard, it's now going to be a picket fence, with Magnolias intertwined, so it will be built.. but on the condition that Trump doesn't go anywhere near the construction, while all you folk stateside, will be footing the bill...taxes up Lessy my friend..just like BREXITwill be over here.

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posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 12:57 PM
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anyone that thinks a wall will stop humans from going somewhere
lacks imagination.

The cartels have billions of their own money plus slave labor to
dig holes underneath or use planes to fly over or use ships to go
around.

Or bribe border patrol. Or get american born half german half mexican
cartel members to join the border patrol.



posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 01:00 PM
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Mexico doesn't have a single fighter jet. It has so much corruption so poor. Millions of Aztecs lost to a few hundreds Spanish. What a joke. How can Mexicans ever pay for anything, let along a wall.



posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 01:00 PM
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How long before someone chimes in "All part of the plan" then when asked "What plan"? the supporter finds another topic to address. I don't know what irritates Me more, the way it comes across as if they are privy to any 'plan' OR That Trump would have a plan.

To this "common passerby" it appears that Herr Drumpf flies w/nary a net or 'plan'..

It would take quite a yarn to convince Me hiring/firing that LOUD MOUTH is part; parcel of any plan..

A politician will lie to get erected; Trump was a LIAR before becoming a politician.. Now He just doesn't give 2 squirts..



posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 01:03 PM
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Senate Republicans bill to provide 15 billion of funding over 4 years.

www.cnn.com...



posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 01:03 PM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
anyone that thinks a wall will stop humans from going somewhere
lacks imagination.

The cartels have billions of their own money plus slave labor to
dig holes underneath or use planes to fly over or use ships to go
around.

Or bribe border patrol. Or get american born half german half mexican
cartel members to join the border patrol.


Or dress up as a vulture and hang glide over, drop the drugs and go back home...if they don't pay, go over again and drop a Bermb!



posted on Aug, 3 2017 @ 01:04 PM
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How the heck does a presidential phone transcript get leaked?

too funny...

Maybe walkie-talkies would be more secure...




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