a reply to: Myollinir
Your analogy is false.
For a start, your over simplification takes none of the drivers which lead a person to seek shelter elsewhere than where they started, into account.
It also fails to account for the fact that in the specific instance of my nation, and indeed the United States, the vast majority of the factors
pushing people from without their homes and countries, toward both our shores here in Britain, and those of the United States, are factors created
almost exclusively at the behest and with funding from, our very own governments and their intelligence organisations, through regional proxies like
Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
If I start a fire on my street, and that fire takes the homes of others, you are dead wrong if you think I am going to fail to take responsibility
for my mistakes. I will INSIST that those affected come and stay in my home, even if it causes me inconvenience, because my actions will already have
caused those individuals huge inconvenience, loss even, and so I must surely owe those I have destroyed the property and homes of, the fullest extent
of my hospitality.
And yet, we seem to have the impression that we have no responsibility as nations, for permitting by continuing to vote for them, the succession of
centre right goons who have destroyed places like the Middle East, and in the case of the US, scapegoated the Latin American nations despite being
responsible for most of their trouble. We seem to be suggesting, if you would hear the gutter press and the right and far right speak of it, that we
can do what we like, where we like, and expect to never have to deal with the slightest of the consequences. That is an appalling, psychopathic point
of view to take.
If we see fit to continue to allow government to do violence for profit, then we have a responsibility to deal with the ramifications of that
violence, no matter how severe, or difficult they might be for us to accommodate. The only other option, would be to curtail the power of our
governments to act in the slightest, small detail of geopolitics, without our express instructions to do so, which would be not only impractical to
work out the details of in a reasonable fashion, but also require massive overthrow of what we know today as government itself, in both Britain, and
the United States, if not elsewhere as well.
So for the meantime, while we refuse to act against our governments in a significant enough fashion, to utterly prevent either our intelligence
services, or our government besides, to contribute in even the smallest fashion to the situation in the Middle East, as a specific example, what right
have we to complain when the people our apathy and disinterest have endangered, come to us for aid and shelter? None. None what so ever. To think
otherwise shows a total lack of understanding of notions like responsibility, diligence, or decency of any kind.
Your argument also, about the existing cultures cry to survive, cannot help but fall on deaf ears. I am a very, VERY old fashioned man, older
fashioned than any of these so called modern patriots. I favour the axe and the sword, rather than the bullet and the bomb... that old fashioned.
However, my grandfathers, who were also very old fashioned men, even for their time, went to war against the Nazis, rather than joining the fascist
brigades, who were yesteryear's equivalent to Britain First, BNP, English Defence League, or the KKK or any other supremacist bunch you could name.
Being old fashioned persons, being of a culture, does not mean that one has carte blanche to behave like a fascist.
What it means is, that one honours ones ancestors memory, by being year on year, decade on decade, better in nature, more mature as a culture, better
understanding of the effects that ones own culture has on the rest of the world, therefore better able to avoid supremacist attitudes, no matter how
explained, no matter how excused. You honour what has gone before, by ensuring that what comes after comes as a result of perfect conduct toward ones
fellow man, not hateful, grasping, jealous, inconsiderate, self serving and willfully ignorant conduct.
That cry to survive is false. There is no threat to the survival of the culture, that does not come from its own lack of willingness to take
responsibility for its effects on those around it, and indeed those within it.
edit on 4-8-2017 by TrueBrit because: (no reason given)