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Bush was a Mass Murderer. He should be given the electric chair?

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posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I love the visual representations as they may help certain people find the scope of the numbers we're talking.

That being said, you and I are anti war. We know it's what depletes the part of our budget that can be used for the people who pay for it (citizens). And the only thing I'll argue is not health care, but education and infrastructure.

But unfortunately about half of the US is partisan.

So someone can say at least they're not Gore or Kerry and get stars for their profound statement at the cost of trillions and half a million lives. Most of them were brown so good luck getting sympathy by nationalist war hawks from either side of the isle.

As for me, I'm bowing out of the thread as some people just brush it off as "at least my party won".

This is our society.




posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 08:59 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-Jean Rostand



posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 08:59 PM
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I'm sad to say I have to disagree on this one on the stance of the Charles Manson defense.

Bush Beta never directly killed anybody, that we know of at least. So I can't get behind applying the mass murderer tag to him. He was definitely responsible for horrible things and deaths, sure, but I think "war criminal" carries the right gravitas. Not to mention how in today's world it wouldn't surprise me if a mass murderer were able to get the plea deal bargain of a lifetime + good boy discount + really found god discount then do half, carry the remainder and be out in two.

Maybe a few good war crimes charges wouldn't allow the same get out of jail nearly free cards. Just a thought.

I feel the same way about Cheney but he shot his buddy in the face. Dick is a killer.




posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 09:06 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-Jean Rostand


By your quotes standards, Hitler and Stalin are Gods.

No offense, but I think the quote sucks. Maybe by another milliniums standards. But not ours.



posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 09:08 PM
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a reply to: Noncents


How the MSM bedazzles us with "monsters" like Bundy whom pale in comparison to the death cult politicians whom not only enact the deaths of millions, but they even get massive military forces to participate directly and the other citizens to participate indirectly with their "Conditioned Psychopathy" mind games they play on society, as a professional hobby, in their pursuits of mass splattered bodies across the globe.

And how do we know, that these freaks dont use their power to ritualistically murder folks? What better position to be in: they're the boss of the cops and the army, and people the supporters would never believe it. It's just too unthinkable, and then they turn the channel to see the documentary about 'proper' serial killers and their 'two bit' small time body counts of mere 10 or 15, which plays out like yummy cognitive comfort food after seeing a news report of a hundred thousand dead.

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posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 09:11 PM
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Dem or Rep it doesnt matter which side
is in power.
Whom ever it is that tells the president and vice president
what to do should be very important to us, because they
do exist. They own the company's most interested in the
area of operations .
So I totally ageee, Cheney.



posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I said what I meant to say. Wars don't bother me. American lives and bottom lines concern me more. Bush wasn't great for either.



posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 09:13 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-Jean Rostand


By your quotes standards, Hitler and Stalin are Gods.

No offense, but I think the quote sucks. Maybe by another milliniums standards. But not ours.


I'm pretty sure the quote isn't meant to be taken literally.

But to each their own.


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posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 09:16 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

So then it doesnt bother you when countless people including truly innocent children get splattered into chunks of bloody mud all in the name of your ideals of imperial domination of the planet?

Have you got yourself checked out of psychopathy / sociopathology?



posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 09:16 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-Jean Rostand


By your quotes standards, Hitler and Stalin are Gods.

No offense, but I think the quote sucks. Maybe by another milliniums standards. But not ours.


I'm pretty sure the quote isn't meant to be taken literally.

But to each their own.


Well then joke is half on me, to my defense they didn't put /sarc at the end haha.



posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 09:26 PM
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Wouldn't imperialism alone (absent actual bombs & bullets) represent the same ilk of psychopathic mindset that surely fuels the mind of the mass murderer / serial killer?


The offenders in this study displayed aggressive and antisocial behaviors during their childhood which escalated and took on elements of sexual sadism in adulthood. There was also a style and pattern to their killings which involved domination, control, humiliation and sadistic sexual violence. The murders were committed without the least sense of guilt or shame and the killers displayed a total lack of remorse. The victims were chosen at random and the murders carried out in almost an obsessive manner. According to Hare (1993) "If you are dealing with a true psychopath it is important to recognize that the current prognosis for significant improvement in his or her attitudes and behavior is poor." (p. 205)
www.practicalhomicide.com...



With little exception, serial killers want to dominate and possess their victims. The feeling of controlling lives provides pleasure. Once the deed is done, however, they are spun again into a vicious cycle of self-loathing, loneliness and ultimately murder. forensicoutreach.com...

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posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 09:30 PM
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You're only a war criminal if you lose the war.

Those who win them, even when they are undeniably the aggressor, will never answer for their crimes.



posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 09:31 PM
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I hate to have to be so brash about it, but I suspect most people have hardly ever even been challenged to think about all of this in these kinds of terms as the politicians / media has us all conditioned to not all on our own think in these sorts of terms. Think about it...

After all, few in this society have even contemplated the fact that we're an imperialist nation when all the other empires we've rivaled we labelled "evil empires", but then we call ourselves the "last remaining superpower".
The FIRST Truth
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posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 09:40 PM
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those responsible for ultimately killing gaddafi should be prosecuted too



posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

There are a lot of things I can criticize Bush for, taking Iraq off the table as the primary pain in the ass in the Middle East isn't one of them. Yeah, he was teeing off in retaliation for his old man's failure there, but regardless, it was time for Huessein to go.



How was he a threat to the USA?



posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: InsaneIthorian

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

There are a lot of things I can criticize Bush for, taking Iraq off the table as the primary pain in the ass in the Middle East isn't one of them. Yeah, he was teeing off in retaliation for his old man's failure there, but regardless, it was time for Huessein to go.



How was he a threat to the USA?


Offering help to combat the rise of Islamic Extremism was a direct threat to the US' foreign policy objectives at the time.

He also let the inspectors in and they didn't find anything which was also counter to US foreign policy objectives.



posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 10:00 PM
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Lots of hits come up in Book results for "authoritarian" and "serial killer".



and et al:


The Path to Extreme Violence: Nazism and Serial Killers
The Psychopathic Aggressor

In this second section, I shall examine the authoritarian syndrome which, combined with psychopathic traits and psychological disturbances, makes it possible for offenders to turn to extreme violence. The psychopathic aggressor has the following characteristics (Cotter, 2007):

Egocentricity. The psychopathic aggressor strongly denigrates his victims in order to inflate his self-esteem.
Cruelty. Cruelty is used by the psychopathic aggressor to force his victims to submit to him. This process intensifies the feeling of omnipotence he experiences as a result of his egocentricity.
Lack of remorse. The psychopathic aggressor expresses no remorse for the violence inflicted on his victims. On the contrary, a victim's suffering is proof of his dominant position and serves to increase the internal stimulation he seeks as compensation for his emotional inadequacies.
Social polarisation. The psychopathic aggressor's Weltanschauung is characterised by the idealisation of his reference groups and the denigration of stigmatised communities perceived as a threat. This Manichean socialisation reaches its full measure with the political criminal, whereas it remains at an embryonic stage with the serial killer, hindered by the intensity of his underlying psychological disturbances.

At this stage it is possible to organise our analysis of the inner world of the psychopathic aggressor in chronological sequence. The development of the authoritarian syndrome is as follows:

Appearance of emotional disturbances.
The psychopathic aggressor offsets his emotional conflicts with the authoritarian syndrome. A position of objective inferiority in everyday life is thus transformed into a position of power.
Authoritarianism causes a process of mental degeneration in the psychopathic aggressor which will be analysed in the next section.
When the development of the authoritarian syndrome is complete, the psychopathic aggressor implodes under the powerful dynamics created and loses touch with reality (see next section).

When do the first signs of the authoritarian syndrome appear? As long as a child is not capable of distinguishing in-group and out-group categories, he does not possess the analytical tools required for social polarisation and authoritarianism is too complex for him. Emotional conflicts in early childhood are therefore “pure,” i.e. non-violent, because devoid of any authoritarian dimension. It is only when newly acquired skills make him able to discern social diversity in his environment that the troubled child finds an egocentric alternative to his frustrations, that of authoritarianism (Tajfel, 1969).

In adults, authoritarian symptoms are generally limited to a subdued version I refer to as conflictual empathy, particularly in family and professional circles (Hirigoyen, 2000). Extreme authoritarianism, in the shape of a fully developed syndrome, occurs only in the most dangerous aggressors, whether acting alone (contact crime) or collectively (political crime).

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posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 10:06 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: burdman30ott6

I hate to have to be so brash about it, but I suspect most people have hardly ever even been challenged to think about all of this in these kinds of terms as the politicians / media has us all conditioned to not all on our own think in these sorts of terms. Think about it...

After all, few in this society have even contemplated the fact that we're an imperialist nation when all the other empires we've rivaled we labelled "evil empires", but then we call ourselves the "last remaining superpower".
The FIRST Truth


some pretty prominent labour mps nailed exactly what would happen, tony benn, robin cook and now leader jeremy corbyn opposed it (their speeches are on youtube) however, they were shouted down.
i'm not being argumentative, but i don't recall any american politicians claiming it could be a bad thing?



posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 10:12 PM
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a reply to: growler

Reminds me of a piece I just noted doing the GoogleFu:


The Absent-Minded Imperialists: Empire, Society, and Culture in Britain
The British empire was a huge enterprise. To foreigners it more or less defined Britain in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Its repercussions in the wider world are still with us today. One might expect this to have been reflected in her society and culture. This is the first book to examine this assumption critically against the broader background of contemporary British society. Bernard Porter, a leading imperial historian, argues that the empire had a far lower profile in Britain than it did abroad. He argues that though Britain was an imperial nation in this period, she was never a genuine imperial society.


I'd love to get paid to do a likewise book on the effect in Imperialist US culture.



posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 11:02 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I think from our interactions in the past you probably know I agree with your premise here.

I just disagree about the semantics. I think war criminal would probably get a quicker shot in the hot seat than calling them killer of any kind.





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