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ACA survives and thrives with subsidies

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posted on Jul, 31 2017 @ 04:48 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: burdman30ott6

The cost sharing subsidies the government pays to insurance companies for given insurance to the poor who can't afford insurance are paid by taxes. Taxes come from rich people mostly. 20% of Americans pay 80% of taxes.


47% of Americans pay negative net taxes, taking more from the tax payer than they pay into the system. The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money...




posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 06:37 AM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Ultimately, if you cared about the American people, you should be requesting to fix the ACA not scrap it altogether.


If you love something, set it free. Ultimately, if you believed in the American people, you wouldn't treat them like children who can't provide for themselves. Ultimately, I believe in the American people enough to want to see them thrive on their own two feet, not in a system by which we redefine "success" to include having other subsidize your life.

It's not about "not caring for themselves". It's about affording health care and trying to keep costs down and from ballooning out of control. Without health care, these people go to the emergency room where costs are much higher and the patient has to pay the full cost. If they don't, which many don't, then the hospital eats the loss and that becomes another tally towards the hospital closing its doors.

The system you desire is unsustainable and is the reason we are in the situation we are in currently. I happen to remember how bad things were during the Bush years where insurance costs skyrocketed across the board on a yearly basis. The ACA fixed a lot of that (not completely has costs are still rising) and it helped give millions of people who didn't have health insurance before access to it. You know not because they couldn't afford it, but because insurance companies wouldn't insure them because of a preexisting condition?



posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 07:16 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Every person has unlimited wants. Everyone wants a mansion. Might as well give every poor person a mansion and let the rich pay for that.



posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 07:20 AM
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ACA does have problem, and that's why the rich should pay for the poor's health insurance. Give me a good reason other than sympathy.


The law requires insurers to provide those discounts. Where the funds would come from, however, was less clear. The Obama administration made the payments to insurers, and Congress sued over them, arguing that Congress had to appropriate them first, which hadn’t been done. A court found Obama’s payments to be unconstitutional, but the court also allowed the administration to continue making them while it appealed the case. Trump’s administration has been paying them on a month-to-month basis.


fivethirtyeight.com...



posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 07:35 AM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Every person has unlimited wants. Everyone wants a mansion. Might as well give every poor person a mansion and let the rich pay for that.

I said nothing about "wants". I'm talking about ballooning costs from health care and health insurance across the entire country.



posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 07:44 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

My husband just got DX with cancer. We are willing to lose our only asset, our house to find a cure. Win or lose. Does that make you feel better?.



posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 07:46 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

The high cost is the hospital's blame, not the rich people's blame. I would propose a law that requires cancer treatment to be completely free.

Best wishes to your husband. Hope that cancer goes away.



posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 07:47 AM
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so the people of Ohio are paying more than what they think they are through hidden taxes revenue on top of the all ready out of control cost of healthcare?



posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

"Every person has unlimited wants. Everyone wants a mansion. Might as well give every poor person a mansion and let the rich pay for that. "
My post was in response to this cold statement.

Your "wants" change when you are looking at dying and losing your only asset that we worked 40 years to pay off.
How many of John McCain's multi homes will he lose to fight cancer? Rich people have sold their souls and have no empathy. Except for the Grace of God, there go I.



posted on Aug, 2 2017 @ 08:03 AM
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Insurance industry threatening bigly unless they get the money. Even if they get the money, there's no guarantee they will lower prices.

www.foxnews.com...
edit on 2-8-2017 by allsee4eye because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 2 2017 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
...The only solution to them is to starve them of their fee rides, forcing them to actually take responsibility for themselves and pay their own way then, and only then, is there a chance for those (former) Kept Voters to recognize how protective one can be over their own earnings and turn into GOP voters....


Yeah, but a dead voter can't vote for a grand old party candidate either, and its likely their family and friends would be pretty sour over it as well.




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