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The Trump-Russia Narrative is Dying. Why?

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posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 03:11 PM
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Pence is eyeing the golden ring


Oh my goodness !
Donald is not all orange all over ?


a reply to: Blarneystoner




posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 03:21 PM
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The hits keep coming today ... regarding Trump-Russia media coverage going STRONG!

Lawsuit: Fox News concocted Seth Rich story with oversight from White House - CNN



Fox News reporter Malia Zimmerman, with the "knowledge and support" of wealthy Republican donor Ed Butowsky, fabricated a pair of quotes attributed to Wheeler. It was all part of an effort to distract from the Russia narrative, the lawsuit said. "Zimmerman, Butowsky and Fox had created fake news to advance President Trump's agenda," said the lawsuit, which named 21st Century Fox, the Fox News Channel, Zimmerman, and Butowsky as defendants. "Mr. Wheeler was subsequently forced to correct the false record and, as a result, lost all credibility in the eyes of the public. Mr. Wheeler has suffered irreparable damage to his reputation and his career will likely never recover."


Filed in court, hardly "fake news."

(Well, except the fake news that Fox always provides.)

Also at ...

NPR

NBC

New York Times
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posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Provide the evidence of Russian collusion.

You know what was declassified in 2012-14?

The documentation of how the CIA organized the mass arrest of a socio-political group that was infiltrated and then seized in mass by local police.

That community went nuclear.

The FBI, CIA, and local police knew about it long before, and agitated it by "blending in and radicalizing others"

And so erupted the Chicago riots in a area of operations that was a cross section of intelligence entities, social engineers from all wings, and a community of guinea pigs.

Now consider project veritas.

The DNC like before was involved in the mix and developed clandestine capabilities by way of contractors national or otherwise that aided in the medias abillity to target people for more invasive analysis.

The WAPO was the origin for most unnamed sources inspired yellow press.

It towed a line that the Russia narrative gives weight to. Smoke to the eyes.

Seth Rich was killed by the DNC for being the original source to wiki leaks, and upon his murder the whole box was opened.

The hack was not a hack at all. The digital evidence shows that the file transfer speed is ONLY possible by a USB or external drive connection.

That it was NOT a remote hack.

This can not be avoided anymore.


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posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: tadaman

Provide a link to the "declassified documents" you're referring to ... from 1968 (as if that's relevant to something we're discussing).

Provide evidence that the Washington Post is a CIA front.

Provide evidence that the DNC killed Seth Rich.

Project Veritas is a known hoaxer.

Provide evidence for these absurd claims and we'll talk.

As to evidence of collusion, at this point, it's common knowledge; your repeated requests are specious.

EDIT: All links should be sourced to reasonable, non-biased sources, which means that trash like Fox News, Breitbart, Gateway Pundit and their downstream blogs is meaningless.

Thanks!
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posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Sure, but FIRST, since I have asked in damn near every single post before you, replying to you, to

Quote the evidence of Russian collusion you say you already provided.

Explain how the sole and singular evidence provided for Russian collusion is the fact that there are investigations.

Also, please show where Jr admitted to collusion?

Address the context of my post referring to the activity involved with the 68 Chicago riots.

Then I will be able to continue the conversation about what the link is. I need to know your not incapable by choice or design to answer me truthfully.

What is not a lie here .



The CIA and the Press: When the Washington Post Ran the CIA’s Propaganda Network


Last week, the Washington Post published a scurrilous piece by a heretofore obscure technology reporter named Craig Timberg, alleging without the faintest evidence that Russian intelligence was using more than 200 independent news sites to pump out pro-Putin and anti-Clinton propaganda during the election campaign.

Under the breathless headline, “Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say,” Timberg concocted his story based on allegations from a vaporous group called ProporNot, run by nameless individuals of unknown origin, whom Timberg (cribbing from the Bob Woodward stylesheet) agreed to quote as anonymous sources.

ProporNot’s catalogue of supposed Putin-controlled outlets reeks of the McCarthyite smears of the Red Scare era. The blacklist includes some of the most esteemed alternative news sites on the web, including Anti-war.com, Black Agenda Report, Truthdig, Naked Capitalism, Consortium News, Truthout, Lew Rockwell.com, Global Research, Unz.com, Zero Hedge and, yes, CounterPunch, among many others. I’ll have more on Timberg and ProporNot in my Friday column.

In the meantime, here is a brief historical note on how at the height of the Cold War the CIA developed it’s very own stable of writers, editors and publishers (swelling to as many as 3000 individuals) that it paid to scribble Agency propaganda under a program called Operation Mockingbird. The disinformation network was supervised by the late Philip Graham, former publisher of Timberg’s very own paper, the Washington Post.

Craig Timberg’s story, which was about as substantial as anonymous slurs scrawled on a bathroom stall, lends rise to the suspicion that the Post may still be a player in the same old game it perfected in the 1950s and continued across the decades culminating in its 1996 hatchet-job on my old friend Gary Webb and his immaculate reporting on drug-running by the CIA-backed contras in the 1980s. The Post’s disgusting assault on Webb was spearheaded, in part, by the paper’s intelligence reporter Walter Pincus, himself an old CIA hand.

For Timberg, this was probably just another day at the office: fling some red slurs on the wall and see what sticks before moving on to his next big tech scoop (courtesy of hot tips from a couple of anonymous teenagers in Cupertino) on software glitches in the i-Phone 7.

For the subjects of hit-and-run journalism such as this, however, it’s often a different matter entirely. In Webb’s case, the Post’s deplorable and baseless attacks killed his career as an investigative reporter and sparked a spiraling depression that ended with Gary taking his own life. Although the CIA’s own inspector general, Frederick Hitz, later confirmed Webb’s reporting, the Post never retracted its slanderous stories or apologized for ruining the life of one of the country’s finest and most courageous journalists.

Now it appears that the paper is circling round for yet another drive-by.

(This article is adapted from our book End Times: the Death of the Fourth Estate.) –JSC

Almost from its founding in 1947, the CIA had journalists on its payroll, a fact acknowledged in ringing tones by the Agency in its announcement in 1976 when G.H.W. Bush took over from William Colby that “Effective immediately, the CIA will not enter into any paid or contract relationship with any full-time or part-time news correspondent accredited by any US news service, newspaper, periodical, radio or television network or station.”

Though the announcement also stressed that the CIA would continue to “welcome” the voluntary, unpaid cooperation of journalists, there’s no reason to believe that the Agency actually stopped covert payoffs to the Fourth Estate.

Its practices in this regard before 1976 have been documented to a certain degree. In 1977 Carl Bernstein attacked the subject in Rolling Stone, concluding that more than 400 journalists had maintained some sort of alliance with the Agency between 1956 and 1972.
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In 1997 the son of a well known CIA senior man in the Agency’s earlier years said emphatically, though off the record, to a CounterPuncher that “of course” the powerful and malevolent columnist Joseph Alsop “was on the payroll”.

Press manipulation was always a paramount concern of the CIA, as with the Pentagon. In his Secret History of the CIA, published in 2001, Joe Trento described how in 1948 CIA man Frank Wisner was appointed director of the Office of Special Projects, soon renamed the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC). This became the espionage and counter-intelligence branch of the Central Intelligence Agency, the very first in its list of designated functions was “propaganda”.

Later that year Wisner set an operation codenamed “Mockingbird”, to influence the domestic American press. He recruited Philip Graham of the Washington Post to run the project within the industry.

Trento writes that

“One of the most important journalists under the control of Operation Mockingbird was Joseph Alsop, whose articles appeared in over 300 different newspapers.” Other journalists willing to promote the views of the CIA, included Stewart Alsop (New York Herald Tribune), Ben Bradlee (Newsweek), James Reston (New York Times), Charles Douglas Jackson (Time Magazine), Walter Pincus (Washington Post), William C. Baggs (Miami News), Herb Gold (Miami News) and Charles Bartlett (Chattanooga Times).

By 1953 Operation Mockingbird had a major influence over 25 newspapers and wire agencies, including the New York Times, Time, CBS, Time. Wisner’s operations were funded by siphoning of funds intended for the Marshall Plan. Some of this money was used to bribe journalists and publishers.”

In his book Mockingbird: The Subversion of the Free Press by the CIA, Alex Constantine writes that in the 1950s, “some 3,000 salaried and contract CIA employees were eventually engaged in propaganda efforts”.

www.counterpunch.org...


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posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 03:46 PM
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None of the reasonable members of the the forum are surprised at all with evidence of direct collusion between Fox and the Trump White House of course.

The cultural meme of "fake news" came into being because of Faux News Channel.

Here's the matter at the heart of these type of threads however. Trump supporters REALLY DON'T CARE if Trump or his campaign or his Administration lie, cheat, collude with foreign powers, etc ... these things don't matter to them.

All attempts to make rational, fact-based statements and rebuttals to their nonsense, therefore, is met with simple denial, fallacious arguments, and attempts to move the discussion to something other than the plain, obvious facts that:

a) Members of the Trump Campaign Colluded with Russian Agents
b) The media coverage of the Trump-Russia Scandal is in full force.

These two facts are inescapable. Now, watch the Trump faithful deny, deny, deny.



posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: tadaman

I've repeated the evidence of collusion clearly ... you've even responded to my statements. So drop this specious line of denial and avoidance:

Back up your wild claims:

Provide a link to the "declassified documents" you're referring to ... from 1968 (as if that's relevant to something we're discussing).

Provide evidence that the Washington Post is a CIA front.

Provide evidence that the DNC killed Seth Rich.

Start there and we can go somewhere. If not, just admit that you're repeating right-wing media garbage, and we can move on.



posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Quote the evidence you already provided.

Simple.

You cant, because it doesnt exist.

There is no evidence to quote.

Look up for your answer to the WAPO CIA connection.

If you can read and arent only the troll you admitted to being, and the liar I proved you to be in our first 3 responses to eachother here, then you should be able to understand it, lol, and reply on topic to detrsct or add to it in your next post.

If you dont, its because you cant.

Not because you choose not to.


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posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 03:51 PM
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a reply to: tadaman

So you have no evidence of any of your claims?

Or rather, you have no actual evidence, only opinion pieces from a fringe conservative site?

That's not unexpected.

Thanks!
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posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

I provided it

a reply to: tadaman

Your turn

Can you please quote the instance where you gave your evidence of collusion?

No?

Edit to add:
Things you cant answer because you are wrong
This is #1

Cant provide evidence of collusion. No quotable instance of information offered.


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posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 03:53 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Gryphon66

I provided it

Your turn


You provided a link to wild conspiracy theory. Which is fine, this is ATS and all, but it doesn't prove anything.

Except that you believe in wild conspiracy theories.



posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 03:55 PM
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Oh so you choose to detract from my informations validity.

Ok.

How is it wrong?

Simple enough no?

Cant answer that either?

No?

Thats 2

And I just started counting.

Edit to add:
Things you cant answer because you are wrong
This is #2

Cant explain how the requested information offered is incorrect. Reverted to insults and deflection.

Did not do as promised to provide his quoted instance of evidence of Russian collusion.

Conclusion: is a liar. Can not provide anything because nothing is there to provide.

This is all BS.


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posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 04:01 PM
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Sure, I don't mind repeating myself yet again.

Michael Flynn met with Russian agents during the campaign and retroactively registered as an agent of a foreign power. He was fired for lying about it.

Jeff Sessions met with Russian agents during the campaign and subsequently recused himself from Justice's investigations into the Trump Russia scandal because he knew that a) it was a conflict of interest because of his own involvement with the Russians and b) there were recordings of his conversations with those agents that proved it wasn't "regular business of the Senate."

Donald Trump Jr. ADMITTED to collusion with Russian agents in order to obtain material damaging to the Clinton campaign, and then promoted the lie scripted by his father that the meeting was about adoption.

If you're interested in anything else I've provided, go look it up for yourself.

And before you make the ridiculous mistake, let's review the meaning of the word "collusion" --



Collusion: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose


Merriam Webster . com



posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 04:02 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Gryphon66

Oh so you choose to detract from my informations validity.

Ok.

How is it wrong?

Simple enough no?

Cant answer that either?

No?

Thats 2

And I just started counting.

Edit to add:



Your "informations validity" is indeed utterly questionable.

It's the equivalent of me trying to prove that Trump is a child molester by referencing Democratic Underground.



posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 04:05 PM
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Ok sure.

Those people are not guilty of MEETING anyone.

No one DENIED they MET.

Do you know the story? Yes?

15 minute nothing meeting that was broken uncordially and abruptly for being a fraud which later turned out to be a DNC funded set up carried out by a criminal firm illegally against a domestic presidential candidate.

Which is a hatch act violation no?

Is that #3?

You did read the VOLUNTARILY fully puished and complete email chain leading to the meeting.

Right?

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posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 04:06 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

So you cant.

Ok

#4
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posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: tadaman

Allow me to amend one item ... Counterpunch is not conservative per se.

It's just a fringe conspiracy rag.



posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 04:08 PM
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It's non stop ... like it or not
Trump dominates the news cycles

Maybe he shouldn't


Donald Trump’s alleged role in personally drafting a misleading statement about his son’s meeting with a Russian lawyer is “obstruction of justice”, a former White House ethics lawyer has said.

“You’re boxing in a witness into a false story,” Richard Painter, chief White House ethics lawyer for George W Bush, told the Guardian.

“That puts them under enormous pressure to turn around and lie under oath to be consistent with their story.

“I think it’s obstruction of justice.”


A problem with my source of choice ?
Find your prefered toothpaste, i've gone halfway there

If an ex, Gee-Dubya advisor,
is not a swinging enough of a proposition
for ATS Trumpeteers to grasp,
i guess they're all lost to all reason

Or unreason, as the case befits

Trump is a lame duck

This painfull hobble to infamy
is gonna drag on and on..and on

He'll go out kicking

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posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 04:09 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Gryphon66

So you cant.

Ok

#4


Yes, another post of mine outlining the common-knowledge evidence of Trump and Company collusion, another rank denial on your part. Thanks for making your intellectual dishonesty so blatant.

So you struck out on proving that the Washington Post is a CIA asset ...

Care to take a stab at proving that the DNC murdered Seth Rich?

(A hint, I wouldn't start with Fox News ...)
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posted on Aug, 1 2017 @ 04:10 PM
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a reply to: Damiel

Indeed.

That alone puts the lie to this entire thread: the "Trump Russia" Scandal is anything but dead, dying, or anything else aside from ALL OVER THE MEDIA.


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